[Pharmwaste] FW: Parameters to be developed re HHW drug waste

Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:38:17 -0700

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Just to clarify.  In Washington State, a workgroup is still evaluating many
issues about incineration and what the best option is going to be for us...
The solid waste Waste to Energy (WTE) plant is currently our preferred
option, but hasn't been approved yet.  There is a long story about why we
are considering this.   Household waste is technically solid waste
regardless of the degree of toxicity per RCRA exemptions, and if time and
temperature requirements for pharmaceutical destruction are met in a MSW
incinerator (we anticipate that the volumes will be small and security
precautions are possible) the same end result may be achieved if we use a
WTE.  

I have done some research about incineration, temperature requirements, and
emissions from pharmaceuticals, but haven't come up with much information on
end of life disposal besides the sewer data that we are all familiar with.
Manufacturers may have this data.  Perhaps this goes on Dr. Daughton's
excellent list of research questions.

Emma Johnson
Solid Waste and Financial Assistance
Washington State Department of Ecology
3190 160th Ave SE
Bellevue, WA 98008-5452
425-649-7266

-----Original Message-----
From: pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Tenace, Laurie
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:40 AM
To: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: [Pharmwaste] FW: Parameters to be developed re HHW drug waste

Folks,

Following is an email from Charlotte Smith of PharmEcology. Please help
Charlotte find the information she's looking for which will be needed as
more pilot projects are tried around the country. I think it would be
helpful to respond to the whole list so we can get each an idea of what's
happening in other states. Be sure to include an address block with your
response.

Laurie

Laurie J. Tenace
Environmental Specialist
Florida Department of Environmental Protection
2600 Blair Stone Road, MS 4555
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-2400
PH: (850) 245-8759
FAX: (850) 245-8811
Laurie.Tenace@dep.state.fl.us <mailto:Laurie.Tenace@dep.state.fl.us>

view our mercury web pages at: 
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/mercury/default.htm
<http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/mercury/default.htm> 

  _____  

From: Charlotte Smith [mailto:csmith@pharmecology.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:00 PM
To: Tenace, Laurie
Cc: 'Lynn Rubenstein'
Subject: Parameters to be developed re HHW drug waste

Hi Laurie,

It would be useful to know how each state regards hazardous pharmaceutical
waste generated by households and then collected at a central location. In
Maine, the hazardous waste loses its exempt status and is again regulated as
RCRA hazardous waste. In Washington State, it retains its household status
to a degree but must be incinerated at their approved Spokane incinerator. I
suppose in the worst of all worlds, it could actually be landfilled legally,
although we'd hate to see that happen. But it would be important for people
trying to pilot HHW or other Rx take back programs to have that information
available.

Secondly, it would be helpful to identify those MSW or RMW incinerators
which are capable of handling a consumer drug take back waste stream, which
is much more varied and diluted than Rx waste from a manufacturer. 

Given those two pieces of data, some decision points would already be
covered in terms of cost effectiveness and environmental protection.  In the
best of all worlds, a cost analysis tool could eventually be constructed
that would take into account all of these and other variables. 

Best regards, 

Charlotte A. Smith, R. Ph., M.S., HEM
President
PharmEcology Associates, LLC
200 S. Executive Drive, Suite 101
Brookfield, WI 53005
262-814-2635
Fax 414-479-9941
www.pharmecology.com <http://www.pharmecology.com/> 
H2E Champion for Change Award

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Just to clarify.&nbsp; In =
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Washington</st1:PlaceName> =
<st1:PlaceType>State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, a workgroup is still evaluating =
many
issues about incineration and what the best option is going to be for =
us... &nbsp;The solid waste Waste
to Energy (WTE) plant is currently our preferred option, but hasn't =
been
approved yet.&nbsp; There is a =
long story
about why we are considering this.&nbsp; &nbsp;Household waste is technically =
solid
waste regardless of the degree of toxicity per RCRA exemptions, and if =
time and
temperature requirements for pharmaceutical destruction are met in a =
MSW
incinerator (we anticipate that the volumes will be small and security =
precautions
are possible) the same end result may be achieved if we use a WTE.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>=

I have done some research about =
incineration,
temperature requirements, and emissions from pharmaceuticals, but =
haven't
come up with much information on end of life disposal besides the sewer =
data
that we are all familiar with. &nbsp;&nbsp;Manufacturers may have this =
data.&nbsp; Perhaps this goes on Dr. Daughton's excellent list of research =
questions.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>=

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Emma =
Johnson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Solid Waste and Financial =
Assistance<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Ecology<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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t></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tenace, Laurie<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 11, =
2005 6:40
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Pharmwaste] =
FW:
Parameters to be developed re HHW drug waste</span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Folks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=

Following is an email from =
Charlotte Smith
of PharmEcology. Please help Charlotte find the information she's =
looking
for which will be needed as more pilot projects are tried around the =
country. I
think it would be helpful to respond to the whole list so we can get =
each an
idea of what's happening in other states. Be sure to include an address
block with your response.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Laurie</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Laurie J. =
Tenace</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Environmental =
Specialist</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Florida Department of =
Environmental
Protection</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2600 Blair Stone Road, MS =
4555</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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32399-2400</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PH: (850) =
245-8759</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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style=3D'font-size:
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.us</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>view our mercury web pages at: =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Charlotte Smith
[mailto:csmith@pharmecology.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April =
07, 2005
2:00 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tenace, Laurie<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Lynn =
Rubenstein'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Parameters to =
be
developed re HHW drug waste</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi Laurie,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

It would be useful to know how each state regards =
hazardous
pharmaceutical&nbsp;waste generated by households and then collected at =
a central
location. In Maine, the hazardous waste loses its exempt status and is =
again
regulated as RCRA hazardous waste. In Washington State, it retains its
household status to a degree but must be incinerated at their approved =
Spokane
incinerator. I suppose in the worst of all worlds, it could actually be
landfilled legally, although we'd hate to see that happen. But it would =
be
important for people trying to pilot HHW or other Rx take back programs =
to have
that information available.<o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

Secondly, it would be helpful to identify those MSW =
or RMW
incinerators which are capable of handling a consumer drug take back =
waste
stream, which is much more varied and diluted than Rx waste from a
manufacturer. <o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

Given those two pieces of data, some decision points =
would
already be covered in terms of cost effectiveness and environmental
protection.&nbsp; In the best of all worlds, a cost analysis tool could
eventually be constructed that would take into account all of these and =
other
variables. <o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Best regards, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Charlotte A. Smith, R. Ph., M.S., =
HEM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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