[Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits

Eileen Sousley EBSousley@cabarruscounty.us
Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:16:00 -0500


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I agree that we need product stewardship on waste pharmaceuticals.  In
my community - when asked - we suggest that citizens bring their waste
or left over pharms back to the Pharmacy or even to the doctors office
as they already have to manage what is used in their offices, (same with
their sharps, but we do also provide tips on the safe ways to prepare
sharps for landfilling).  The most common problem we hear back is that
doctors are advising patients to FLUSH any left over meds down the
TOILET.  One would think that doctors of all professionals would know
better than to do that, but apparently not in my community.
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Scott, is this something PSI has on their list?
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Eileen Sousley
Cabarrus County, NC

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From: pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Galvin,
Dave
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:08 PM
To: 'John Danby'; David Stitzhal
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits



I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit would replace one
hazard with another.  We are not interested in dealing with a soup of
unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution.  Hmmm, what
then to do with this container...

I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old meds to the
local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local
government.  Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product
stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their
place of origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid
mailers, or via some other system that does not put the burden for yet
another problematic wastestream onto local government and onto local
ratepayers to pay for.

It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive solution.=20

-- Dave Galvin=20
=20  Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA)


-----Original Message-----=20
From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu]=20
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM=20
To: David Stitzhal=20
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us=20
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits=20

Some things to consider:=20

Do you really want to put containers of hazardous chemicals (that would=20
"neutralize" pharms) in the hands of the consumer?  Are you not trading
one=20
set of hazards for another?=20

What would the consumer do with the used container of chemicals/drugs?=20
Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal issue.  Very
unlikely=20
that you would be left with a non-hazardous result.=20

A better way to handle this would be to encourage the collection of
excess=20
consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste entity.=20

John G. Danby, CIH, CSP=20
Environmental Compliance Specialist=20
Occupational Safety=20
UC Davis Health System=20
916-734-7329=20
916-734-7309 (fax)=20


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=20            David Stitzhal

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Hi Lucy.=20

I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty chemicals" to=20
dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach that was=20
discussed among a pharmaceutical task force here in the Northwest for=20
dealing with commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you=20
more details if you want when I return. I am leaving town after today=20
for two weeks and am swamped with last minute details.=20

Cheers.=20

Stitzhal=20
--=20
David Stitzhal, MRP=20
President=20
Full Circle Environmental, Inc.=20
3111 37th Place South=20
Seattle, WA 98144=20
U.S.A.=20
206-723-0528 phone=20
206-723-2452 fax=20
stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com=20
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<P><FONT size=3D2>I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit would r=
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unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution.&nbsp; Hmmm, what t=
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<P><FONT size=3D2>I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old=
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to the local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local=20
government.&nbsp; Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product=20
stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their place o=
f=20
origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid mailers, or via som=
e=20
other system that does not put the burden for yet another problematic=20
wastestream onto local government and onto local ratepayers to pay=20
for.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive=20
solution.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-- Dave Galvin</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Loca=
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<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>From:=
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Hi Lucy.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty=20
chemicals" to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>dissolve unwanted meds. However, tha=
t is=20
an approach that was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>discussed among a pharmaceuti=
cal=20
task force here in the Northwest for</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>dealing with=20
commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
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today</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>for two weeks and am swamped with last minut=
e=20
details.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Cheers.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Stitzhal</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>--</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>David Stitzhal, MRP</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>President</FONT> <BR>=
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