[Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 - HandSanitizer

Gressitt, Stevan Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov
Thu Oct 1 10:32:38 EDT 2009


An unidentified resident of Maine with access to a very large parking
lot elected for some obscure reason to take a certain quantity of said
handsterilizing gel ( of the 126 proof, unknown vintage) variety, placed
a lit match nearby with fire extinguisher present for those concerned
about procedure. I have been told, denying personal knowledge at least
till the first threat of waterboarding is made, that it caught, then
started boiling and the splatters on landing on nearby white paper
placed to emphasize contrast for possible photography immediately
started new fires. The whole experiment was deemed a success, a source
of concern and I believe the photographs have been classified or
destroyed to limit any ...well they were great potentially incriminating
photos. 

 

Conclusion. These things are canisters of Greek Fire (the Byzantine
formula, which was a closely guarded state secret...found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire  ) or napalm. With lethally
toxic doses of alcohol for a child, placed in many buildings at a height
a 6 year old can reach.  

 

Now labeled as toxic on our office floor..each dispenser that we could
find anyway.

 

 

 

Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

Office of Adult Mental Health Services

Department of Health and Human Services

Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

11 State House Station

32 Blossom Lane

Augusta, ME  04333-0011

Ph: (207)287-4273

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From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Matthew
C. Mireles
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:18 PM
To: Meryl Klein; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 -
HandSanitizer

 

Very good point, Meryl!   



-----Original Message----- 
From: Meryl Klein 
Sent: Sep 30, 2009 9:04 AM 
To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us 
Subject: [Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 - Hand
Sanitizer 

Has anyone thought of doing a life cycle analysis on resources used
(soap and water [remember that water is fast becoming a commodity]) vs.
sanitizer and comparing the effectiveness of both.  I know there was a
study back in the early 2000s comparing handwashing and alcohol-based
sanitizers and they found that the sanitizers with moisturizers were
better for hospital employees who had to wash often as the soap and
water and plain sanitizer dried the hands too much and let in infection.
Triclosan should definitely be banned.  Period. 

 

Perhaps there are times when small children, unless strictly monitored,
are not up to the task of properly washing their hands.  I watch my own
four year old wash mostly properly and then cringe when she touches the
sink and just about every other surface there is in the public restroom
despite my explanations of why we should not do this after she washes
her hands.

 

I think there is a place for both proper handwashing and sanitizer.

 

 

 

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Message: 1

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:19:33 -0400

From: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>

Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

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I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer

recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start

getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by

the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example

of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks

sanitizer is so great.  

 

Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

 

Marcus Suhr, ASP 

Industrial Hygienist 

Christiana Care Health Services 

Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

Newark, DE 19718 

302-733-3787 (office)

302-573-7662 (pager) 

302-733-3771 (fax) 

MSuhr at christianacare.org

 

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:37 -0500

From: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>,

<pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>

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Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the

recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1.  Our

Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with

it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

department concern.

 

Lyle Milby

City of Norman

Environmental Services

P.O. Box 370

Norman, OK  73070

(405) 292-9731

lyle.milby at normanok.gov

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,

Marcus W.

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

 

I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer

recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start

getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by

the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example

of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks

sanitizer is so great.  

 

Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

 

Marcus Suhr, ASP 

Industrial Hygienist 

Christiana Care Health Services 

Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

Newark, DE 19718 

302-733-3787 (office)

302-573-7662 (pager) 

302-733-3771 (fax) 

MSuhr at christianacare.org

 

 

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Message: 3

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:39:07 -0400

From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus W."

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Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what? 

 

Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

Office of Adult Mental Health Services

Department of Health and Human Services

Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

11 State House Station

32 Blossom Lane

Augusta, ME  04333-0011

Ph: (207)287-4273

Fax: (207)287-1022

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[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Lyle

Milby

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM

To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

 

Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the

recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1.  Our

Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with

it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

department concern.

 

Lyle Milby

City of Norman

Environmental Services

P.O. Box 370

Norman, OK  73070

(405) 292-9731

lyle.milby at normanok.gov

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,

Marcus W.

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

 

I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer

recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start

getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by

the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example

of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks

sanitizer is so great.  

 

Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

 

Marcus Suhr, ASP 

Industrial Hygienist 

Christiana Care Health Services 

Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

Newark, DE 19718 

302-733-3787 (office)

302-573-7662 (pager) 

302-733-3771 (fax) 

MSuhr at christianacare.org

 

 

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Message: 4

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:01:30 EDT

From: TBadrick at aol.com

Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

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I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age where fire  

marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire
risk....its okay  

to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas cylinders)
of  

flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a wall?..  gee I feel


safe now.  Whatever happened to soap and water and proper technique?
is that 

too complicated?  This is what happens when rampant uneducated fear
trumps 

science and logic.

 

I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf  

Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I
could think  

about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital projects to
solve 

a  problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA is
already  

everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do just  

fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)

 

Tom Badrick

Badrick Consulting

 

 

 

In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  

Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:

 

Our  school system is putting these out in all of the schools at  the

recommendation of the County Health Department in response to  H1N1.
Our

Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to  go ahead
with

it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of  the fire

department concern.

 

Lyle Milby

City of  Norman

Environmental Services

P.O. Box 370

Norman, OK   73070

(405) 292-9731

lyle.milby at normanok.gov

 

 

-----Original  Message-----

From:  pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us]  On Behalf Of Suhr,

Marcus W.

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20  PM

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand  sanitizer

 

I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol  sanitizer

recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or  they start

getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was  required by

the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a  clear
example

of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.   Everyone
thinks

sanitizer is so great.  

 

Anyone else being  requested to bring it to school?    

 

Marcus Suhr, ASP  

Industrial Hygienist 

Christiana Care Health Services 

Occupational  Safety Department, Office L840J 

4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

Newark, DE  19718 

302-733-3787 (office)

302-573-7662 (pager) 

302-733-3771 (fax)  

MSuhr at christianacare.org

 

 

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Message: 5

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT)

From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: "Gressitt,Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>, Lyle Milby

<Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr,Marcus W."

<MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Cc: linkfilion at yahoo.com, Elizabeth Smith <smithce at flash.net>,

jamiller at communityofcompetence.com

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Dr. Jerry Miller, an epidemiologist, at our Foundation would be a good
person to consult with.  He did a fellowship at CDC in Atlanta and is
now our VP for Research.

 

For schools and some clinical facilitites, we recommend simple, proper
handwashing with soap and warm water as well as prudent hygiene and
sanitation practices.  Some school districts are presenting learning
lessons with practices in the lavatory for the correct handwashing.  I
heard one school has kids reciting the alphabet A-Z (approx 15
sec--about same time recommended by CDC for kids) to time how long they
should lather hands with soap before rinsing.  Paper napkins or
motion-sensed driers are used to dry hands.  Some even instruct kids to
avoid touching door handles and open the door with a paper napkin and
throw the napkin the waste basket right outside the restroom.

 

Kids are reminded to cover their nose and mouths with tissue when they
sneeze or cough.  If tissue paper is not available, they are instructed
to cough or sneeze into their folded upper arms so they won't spread
germs.  It's hoot to walk into a classroom as see kids practicing how to
cough into their arms.  Many lessons that I'm mentioned are strategies
being used mainly on the west coast as an introduction to personal
hygiene as well as proper etiquette.

 

Hand sanitizing, disinfecting gels, liquids, ointments, etc. are useful
in some occasions but probably not too wise as an effort to prevent
infection and cross contamination.  to require parents to provide the
product to their kids without sufficient rationale for the parents or
the kids might be interpreted as an extraneous attempt to combat the
H1N1 epidemic.  There's already a misplaced fear of H1N1 being spread by
pork products.  Please save the bacon!

 

Reliance on only these liquids or gel sanitzers may produce some
unintended consequences.  CDC reports 2 million cases of nosocomial
infections in our hospitals resulting in 90,000 deaths of our patients
each year.  Hospitals are frantically investing money into putting
dispensers with hand sanitizers on the floors, in patients' rooms,
waiting rooms, etc.  Some hospitals hire secret monitors to observe
handwashing and record noncompliance; some even pay staff members to
wash their hands correctly out of sheer desperation.  in addition to
carrying the stethoscope and cheat sheets in their pockets, many nurses
and docs are given courtesy of the medical supply companies personal
bottles of hand sanitzers.  Hence, many are skippping the standard sink
and soap routine.  

 

The results have not been too impressive: infection rate has not gotten
better.  As a matter of fact, healthcare professionals' behavior and
attitude with proper handwashing have worsen.  

 

We were contracted by a major company in Austin TX to provide a health
education and promotion poster for handwashing--we recommended soap and
water and hygiene.  We thought about inviting those kids to do a demo
for the company's execs and remind them that sometimes simple is best,
like the ABCs.

 

 

Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH

President and CEO

Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

	From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>

	Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:39 PM

	To: Lyle Milby <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus W."
<MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what? 

	 

	Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

	Office of Adult Mental Health Services

	Department of Health and Human Services

	Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

	11 State House Station

	32 Blossom Lane

	Augusta, ME  04333-0011

	Ph: (207)287-4273

	Fax: (207)287-1022

	Cell Phone: (207) 441-0291

	E-Mail : stevan.gressitt at maine.gov

	http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mh/

	 

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	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
Lyle

	Milby

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM

	To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the

	recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1.  Our

	Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go
ahead with

	it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

	department concern.

	 

	Lyle Milby

	City of Norman

	Environmental Services

	P.O. Box 370

	Norman, OK  73070

	(405) 292-9731

	lyle.milby at normanok.gov

	 

	 

	-----Original Message-----

	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
Suhr,

	Marcus W.

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear
example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP 

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE 19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax) 

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

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Message: 6

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:54 -0500

From: "Volkman, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: <TBadrick at aol.com>, <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>

Message-ID:

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My kids haven't been asked to carry concealed yet.  They used to get an

extra credit point for bringing a box of tissues to class, but the

school disallowed that practice this year because they felt it might be

unfair to those who could not afford to supply the school with tissues.

So, the kids are packing their own or using the back of the hand, wall,

desk or whatever is handy.  Management at our state agency (and probably

all of them in MN) issued each desk a 4 oz bottle (apparently this

equals about 8 martinis) and a container of wipes.  I've heard they will

be installing dispensers outside all of our conference rooms, just like

hospitals.  A nurse friend of mine said they had to switch to another

type of sanitizer at her hospital because too many employees (they like

to blame the janitors) were adding a shot to their morning coffee. It

fits right in with all the other craziness...must be something in the

water...

 

 

 

 

 

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of

TBadrick at aol.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01 PM

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

 

 

 

I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age where fire

marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire

risk....its okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as

compressed gas cylinders) of flammable materials every twenty feet or so

along a wall?..  gee I feel safe now.  Whatever happened to soap and

water and proper technique?  is that too complicated?  This is what

happens when rampant uneducated fear trumps science and logic.

 

 

 

I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf

Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I

could think about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital

projects to solve a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess

what MRSA is already everywhere and that just employing proper hand

washing would do just fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)

 

 

 

Tom Badrick

 

Badrick Consulting

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:

 

Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at

the

recommendation of the County Health Department in response to

H1N1.  Our

Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go

ahead with

it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

department concern.

 

Lyle Milby

City of Norman

Environmental Services

P.O. Box 370

Norman, OK  73070

(405) 292-9731

lyle.milby at normanok.gov

 

 

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From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of

Suhr,

Marcus W.

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

 

I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol

sanitizer

recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or

they start

getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was

required by

the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear

example

of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.

Everyone thinks

sanitizer is so great.  

 

Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

 

Marcus Suhr, ASP 

Industrial Hygienist 

Christiana Care Health Services 

Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

Newark, DE 19718 

302-733-3787 (office)

302-573-7662 (pager) 

302-733-3771 (fax) 

MSuhr at christianacare.org

 

 

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Message: 7

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:30 -0400 (EDT)

From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>

Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

To: "Volkman,Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>,

TBadrick at aol.com, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

Cc: jerrymiller at communityofcompetence.com, Elizabeth Smith

<smithce at flash.net>, mcmireles at communityofcompetence.com,

linkfilion at yahoo.com, Douglas Dotan <ddotan at crgmedical.com>

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