[Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 - Hand Sanitizer

Gressitt, Stevan Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov
Thu Oct 1 16:41:07 EDT 2009


There is no proof that that experiment ever occurred , except possibly
from our video surveillance security system...forgot about that. 

 

Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

Office of Adult Mental Health Services

Department of Health and Human Services

Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

11 State House Station

32 Blossom Lane

Augusta, ME  04333-0011

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47,Issue 6 - Hand
Sanitizer

 

I think it would be a great eco-footprint project....I smell a college
class project

 

well we are on the topic, lets not forget a couple of the reasons behind
the new push on hand sanitizers

 

1.  The federal government making a huge deal about pandemics as a
national security issue...I'm not saying good or bad here but in the
hospitals I worked in it became a "program" and in the hands of a
skilled director trying to climb the ladder becomes a "cause" and
although causes are fun they typically fade quickly in terms of efficacy
and then you have 5 trillion soap and gel and foam containers everywhere
and common sense typically gets pushed out of the way when its a cause.
We had one project where the issue of "litter" in the hallways (very
little btw) was addressed by installing dozens of wall mounted boxes of
gloves and paper towel dispensers with the assumption being that people
did not pick up littler in the hall for fear of contamination, you know
gum wrappers being a major risk and all.  End result was dispensers were
always out of paper towels and people stole boxes of gloves with great
regularity...much easier to grab that box than order from supply or buy
at the store.

 

One of the assumptions I saw pushed aside was the expectation that
health care workers absolutely should be expected to wash hands between
patients....now the idea that a trained healthcare worker who is trying
to help patients deliberately chooses to disregard one of the most basic
precautions both to themselves and their patients.....this is an
educational issue but also a professional disciplinary issue...if they
give the wrong meds repeatedly its treated that way...its a basic core
competency, period.  No debate.

 

2.  The focus is always on nurses and docs but lets not forget that
support staff such as housekeepers touch many things and often are far
more capable of transmitting....we had a guy who picked up the med waste
from within the facility...older, nice, rigid, etc....it was a big win
to get him to take his gloves off when he went to the cafeteria...you
inherently have to recognize he probably didn't do that in the
prescribed method either.  This is not a rare situation.  Sick people
come to hospitals, the bottom line is you cannot maintain sterility in a
public facility designed to treat sick people for the most part and we
should stop obsessing about that aspect and be rational about what we
can accomplish.  Hand washing should be an easy win....and many
facilities show a compliance rate of around 50%.  More soap types and
putting it everywhere does not fix that type of problem.

 

3.  Last, but not least...the changes in regulations that says Medicare
and Medicaid will not pay for hospital  acquired infections...make no
mistake about it this is huge bucks at stake. This makes it a
"management crisis" and rational science based discussion stops right
there when its becomes a thing to fix, not a cultural change.  Every
month there is a new "crisis" and the old one is forgotten quickly.

 

Tom Badrick

Badrick Consulting

who is shocked that such a blatantly unsafe experiment as lighting gel
on fire could occur ;-)

 

In a message dated 9/30/2009 7:04:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
merylklein at earthlink.net writes:

	Has anyone thought of doing a life cycle analysis on resources
used (soap and water [remember that water is fast becoming a commodity])
vs. sanitizer and comparing the effectiveness of both.  I know there was
a study back in the early 2000s comparing handwashing and alcohol-based
sanitizers and they found that the sanitizers with moisturizers were
better for hospital employees who had to wash often as the soap and
water and plain sanitizer dried the hands too much and let in infection.
Triclosan should definitely be banned.  Period. 

	 

	Perhaps there are times when small children, unless strictly
monitored, are not up to the task of properly washing their hands.  I
watch my own four year old wash mostly properly and then cringe when she
touches the sink and just about every other surface there is in the
public restroom despite my explanations of why we should not do this
after she washes her hands.

	 

	I think there is a place for both proper handwashing and
sanitizer.

	 

	 

	 

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	Message: 1

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:19:33 -0400

	From: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>

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	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear
example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP 

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE 19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax) 

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

	 

	 

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	Message: 2

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:37 -0500

	From: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>,

	<pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>

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	Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the

	recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1.  Our

	Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go
ahead with

	it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

	department concern.

	 

	Lyle Milby

	City of Norman

	Environmental Services

	P.O. Box 370

	Norman, OK  73070

	(405) 292-9731

	lyle.milby at normanok.gov

	 

	 

	-----Original Message-----

	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
Suhr,

	Marcus W.

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear
example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP 

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE 19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax) 

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

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	Message: 3

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:39:07 -0400

	From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus W."

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	Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what? 

	 

	Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

	Office of Adult Mental Health Services

	Department of Health and Human Services

	Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

	11 State House Station

	32 Blossom Lane

	Augusta, ME  04333-0011

	Ph: (207)287-4273

	Fax: (207)287-1022

	Cell Phone: (207) 441-0291

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	http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mh/

	 

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	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
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	Milby

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM

	To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the

	recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1.  Our

	Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go
ahead with

	it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

	department concern.

	 

	Lyle Milby

	City of Norman

	Environmental Services

	P.O. Box 370

	Norman, OK  73070

	(405) 292-9731

	lyle.milby at normanok.gov

	 

	 

	-----Original Message-----

	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
Suhr,

	Marcus W.

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear
example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP 

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE 19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax) 

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

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	Message: 4

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:01:30 EDT

	From: TBadrick at aol.com

	Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

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	I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age
where fire  

	marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire
risk....its okay  

	to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas
cylinders) of  

	flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a wall?..  gee
I feel  

	safe now.  Whatever happened to soap and water and proper
technique?   is that 

	too complicated?  This is what happens when rampant uneducated
fear  trumps 

	science and logic.

	 

	I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and
Wolf  

	Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly
MRSA...all I could think  

	about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital
projects to solve 

	a  problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA
is already  

	everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do
just  

	fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)

	 

	Tom Badrick

	Badrick Consulting

	 

	 

	 

	In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight
Time,  

	Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:

	 

	Our  school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the

	recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1.  Our

	Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to  go
ahead with

	it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of  the
fire

	department concern.

	 

	Lyle Milby

	City of  Norman

	Environmental Services

	P.O. Box 370

	Norman, OK   73070

	(405) 292-9731

	lyle.milby at normanok.gov

	 

	 

	-----Original  Message-----

	From:  pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us]  On Behalf Of
Suhr,

	Marcus W.

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20  PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand  sanitizer

	 

	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a
clear example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being  requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP  

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational  Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE  19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax)  

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

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	Message: 5

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT)

	From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: "Gressitt,Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>, Lyle Milby

	<Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr,Marcus W."

	<MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Cc: linkfilion at yahoo.com, Elizabeth Smith <smithce at flash.net>,

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	Dr. Jerry Miller, an epidemiologist, at our Foundation would be
a good person to consult with.  He did a fellowship at CDC in Atlanta
and is now our VP for Research.

	 

	For schools and some clinical facilitites, we recommend simple,
proper handwashing with soap and warm water as well as prudent hygiene
and sanitation practices.  Some school districts are presenting learning
lessons with practices in the lavatory for the correct handwashing.  I
heard one school has kids reciting the alphabet A-Z (approx 15
sec--about same time recommended by CDC for kids) to time how long they
should lather hands with soap before rinsing.  Paper napkins or
motion-sensed driers are used to dry hands.  Some even instruct kids to
avoid touching door handles and open the door with a paper napkin and
throw the napkin the waste basket right outside the restroom.

	 

	Kids are reminded to cover their nose and mouths with tissue
when they sneeze or cough.  If tissue paper is not available, they are
instructed to cough or sneeze into their folded upper arms so they won't
spread germs.  It's hoot to walk into a classroom as see kids practicing
how to cough into their arms.  Many lessons that I'm mentioned are
strategies being used mainly on the west coast as an introduction to
personal hygiene as well as proper etiquette.

	 

	Hand sanitizing, disinfecting gels, liquids, ointments, etc. are
useful in some occasions but probably not too wise as an effort to
prevent infection and cross contamination.  to require parents to
provide the product to their kids without sufficient rationale for the
parents or the kids might be interpreted as an extraneous attempt to
combat the H1N1 epidemic.  There's already a misplaced fear of H1N1
being spread by pork products.  Please save the bacon!

	 

	Reliance on only these liquids or gel sanitzers may produce some
unintended consequences.  CDC reports 2 million cases of nosocomial
infections in our hospitals resulting in 90,000 deaths of our patients
each year.  Hospitals are frantically investing money into putting
dispensers with hand sanitizers on the floors, in patients' rooms,
waiting rooms, etc.  Some hospitals hire secret monitors to observe
handwashing and record noncompliance; some even pay staff members to
wash their hands correctly out of sheer desperation.  in addition to
carrying the stethoscope and cheat sheets in their pockets, many nurses
and docs are given courtesy of the medical supply companies personal
bottles of hand sanitzers.  Hence, many are skippping the standard sink
and soap routine.  

	 

	The results have not been too impressive: infection rate has not
gotten better.  As a matter of fact, healthcare professionals' behavior
and attitude with proper handwashing have worsen.  

	 

	We were contracted by a major company in Austin TX to provide a
health education and promotion poster for handwashing--we recommended
soap and water and hygiene.  We thought about inviting those kids to do
a demo for the company's execs and remind them that sometimes simple is
best, like the ABCs.

	 

	 

	Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH

	President and CEO

	Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety

	 

	 

	 

	 

	-----Original Message-----

		From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>

		Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:39 PM

		To: Lyle Milby <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus
W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

		Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

		 

		Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is
what? 

		 

		Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director

		Office of Adult Mental Health Services

		Department of Health and Human Services

		Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor

		11 State House Station

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		From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

		[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On
Behalf Of Lyle

		Milby

		Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM

		To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

		Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

		 

		Our school system is putting these out in all of the
schools at the

		recommendation of the County Health Department in
response to H1N1.  Our

		Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided
to go ahead with

		it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of
the fire

		department concern.

		 

		Lyle Milby

		City of Norman

		Environmental Services

		P.O. Box 370

		Norman, OK  73070

		(405) 292-9731

		lyle.milby at normanok.gov

		 

		 

		-----Original Message-----

		From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

		[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On
Behalf Of Suhr,

		Marcus W.

		Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

		To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

		Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

		 

		I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer

		recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child
dies, or they start

		getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son
was required by

		the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is
a clear example

		of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks

		sanitizer is so great.  

		 

		Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

		 

		Marcus Suhr, ASP 

		Industrial Hygienist 

		Christiana Care Health Services 

		Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

		4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

		Newark, DE 19718 

		302-733-3787 (office)

		302-573-7662 (pager) 

		302-733-3771 (fax) 

		MSuhr at christianacare.org

		 

		 

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	Message: 6

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:54 -0500

	From: "Volkman, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: <TBadrick at aol.com>, <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>

	Message-ID:

	
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	My kids haven't been asked to carry concealed yet.  They used to
get an

	extra credit point for bringing a box of tissues to class, but
the

	school disallowed that practice this year because they felt it
might be

	unfair to those who could not afford to supply the school with
tissues.

	So, the kids are packing their own or using the back of the
hand, wall,

	desk or whatever is handy.  Management at our state agency (and
probably

	all of them in MN) issued each desk a 4 oz bottle (apparently
this

	equals about 8 martinis) and a container of wipes.  I've heard
they will

	be installing dispensers outside all of our conference rooms,
just like

	hospitals.  A nurse friend of mine said they had to switch to
another

	type of sanitizer at her hospital because too many employees
(they like

	to blame the janitors) were adding a shot to their morning
coffee. It

	fits right in with all the other craziness...must be something
in the

	water...

	 

	 

	 

	 

	 

	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of

	TBadrick at aol.com

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01 PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	 

	 

	I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age
where fire

	marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire

	risk....its okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as

	compressed gas cylinders) of flammable materials every twenty
feet or so

	along a wall?..  gee I feel safe now.  Whatever happened to soap
and

	water and proper technique?  is that too complicated?  This is
what

	happens when rampant uneducated fear trumps science and logic.

	 

	 

	 

	I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and
Wolf

	Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly
MRSA...all I

	could think about was how this would put a halt to all other
hospital

	projects to solve a problem that really wasn't a problem,
because guess

	what MRSA is already everywhere and that just employing proper
hand

	washing would do just fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older
;-)

	 

	 

	 

	Tom Badrick

	 

	Badrick Consulting

	 

	 

	 

	 

	 

	In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight
Time,

	Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:

	 

	Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at

	the

	recommendation of the County Health Department in response to

	H1N1.  Our

	Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go

	ahead with

	it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire

	department concern.

	 

	Lyle Milby

	City of Norman

	Environmental Services

	P.O. Box 370

	Norman, OK  73070

	(405) 292-9731

	lyle.milby at normanok.gov

	 

	 

	-----Original Message-----

	From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of

	Suhr,

	Marcus W.

	Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

	To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	 

	I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol

	sanitizer

	recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or

	they start

	getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was

	required by

	the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear

	example

	of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.

	Everyone thinks

	sanitizer is so great.  

	 

	Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    

	 

	Marcus Suhr, ASP 

	Industrial Hygienist 

	Christiana Care Health Services 

	Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 

	4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 

	Newark, DE 19718 

	302-733-3787 (office)

	302-573-7662 (pager) 

	302-733-3771 (fax) 

	MSuhr at christianacare.org

	 

	 

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	Message: 7

	Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:30 -0400 (EDT)

	From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>

	Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer

	To: "Volkman,Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>,

	TBadrick at aol.com, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us

	Cc: jerrymiller at communityofcompetence.com, Elizabeth Smith

	<smithce at flash.net>, mcmireles at communityofcompetence.com,

	linkfilion at yahoo.com, Douglas Dotan <ddotan at crgmedical.com>

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