[Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 - Hand Sanitizer

Matthew C. Mireles mirelesmc at earthlink.net
Wed Sep 30 19:05:27 EDT 2009 

We are studying evidence based design for healthcare systems. In the next 10 years, we will invest more than $250 billion dollars in new construction of hospitals and clinics.  We hope to explore improved design and systems innovations for the built environment that would promote better health outcomes and safety for patients as well as safety and productivity of the healthcare workers.  Also, issues of environmental sustainability would cover waste management within and outside of the facility.  

One topic of concern is how to reduce the rate of hospital-acquired infection.  A curious question came up...'about how long does it take for a dropped object to be contaminated?"  If Allen drops his baloney sandwich on the floor, the "standard" window of time for safe recovery is about 5 sec.  After that, the sandwich is considered contaminated.

But I wouldn't eat anything dropped on the floor of our operating rooms.  Standard turn around time for a room is approx 15 mins--the time one surgical patient leaves and another one enters in a busy OR.  This includes removal of all soiled, contaminated equipment, and used supplies; clean and disinfect all surfaces; dry surfaces, set up machines and equipment, new sterile table and field for the next procedure, and receive another patient from holding.  

I think I'll skip the sandwich.


Matthew Mireles



-----Original Message-----
>From: "Gilliam, Allen" <GILLIAM at adeq.state.ar.us>
>Sent: Sep 30, 2009 11:06 AM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47,	Issue 6 - Hand Sanitizer
>  A
>We have created a new generation with Verminophobia.  My wife's been in 
>the education system for 30 years and she can't ever remember seeing as
>many small kids trying to open doors or turning on/off faucets with
>their elbows to the point OCD.
>
>In my day, dropping my baloney samwich on the ground just took some
>swift brushing off the dust and continue eating.
>
>Allen g
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>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Meryl
>Klein
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:04 AM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 - Hand
>Sanitizer
>
>
>Has anyone thought of doing a life cycle analysis on resources used
>(soap and water [remember that water is fast becoming a commodity]) vs.
>sanitizer and comparing the effectiveness of both.  I know there was a
>study back in the early 2000s comparing handwashing and alcohol-based
>sanitizers and they found that the sanitizers with moisturizers were
>better for hospital employees who had to wash often as the soap and
>water and plain sanitizer dried the hands too much and let in infection.
>Triclosan should definitely be banned.  Period.
>
>
>Perhaps there are times when small children, unless strictly monitored,
>are not up to the task of properly washing their hands.  I watch my own
>four year old wash mostly properly and then cringe when she touches the
>sink and just about every other surface there is in the public restroom
>despite my explanations of why we should not do this after she washes
>her hands.
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>I think there is a place for both proper handwashing and sanitizer.
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>   1. RE: hand sanitizer (Suhr, Marcus W.)
>   2. RE: RE: hand sanitizer (Lyle Milby)
>   3. RE: RE: hand sanitizer (Gressitt, Stevan)
>   4. Re: RE: hand sanitizer (TBadrick at aol.com)
>   5. RE: RE: hand sanitizer (Matthew C. Mireles)
>   6. RE: RE: hand sanitizer (Volkman, Jennifer)
>   7. RE: RE: hand sanitizer (Matthew C. Mireles)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:19:33 -0400
>From: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>
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>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    
>
>
>Marcus Suhr, ASP 
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE 19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax) 
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:37 -0500
>From: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: "Suhr, Marcus W." <MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>,
><pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>
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>Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1.  Our
>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
>it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
>department concern.
>
>
>Lyle Milby
>City of Norman
>Environmental Services
>P.O. Box 370
>Norman, OK  73070
>(405) 292-9731
>lyle.milby at normanok.gov
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,
>Marcus W.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    
>
>
>Marcus Suhr, ASP 
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE 19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax) 
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:39:07 -0400
>From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: "Lyle Milby" <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus W."
><MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>
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>Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what? 
>
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>Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director
>Office of Adult Mental Health Services
>Department of Health and Human Services
>Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor
>11 State House Station
>32 Blossom Lane
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Lyle
>Milby
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM
>To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1.  Our
>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
>it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
>department concern.
>
>
>Lyle Milby
>City of Norman
>Environmental Services
>P.O. Box 370
>Norman, OK  73070
>(405) 292-9731
>lyle.milby at normanok.gov
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,
>Marcus W.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    
>
>
>Marcus Suhr, ASP 
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE 19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax) 
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:01:30 EDT
>From: TBadrick at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
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>I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age where fire  
>marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire
>risk....its okay  
>to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas cylinders)
>of  
>flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a wall?..  gee I feel
>
>safe now.  Whatever happened to soap and water and proper technique?
>is that 
>too complicated?  This is what happens when rampant uneducated fear
>trumps 
>science and logic.
>
>
>I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf  
>Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I
>could think  
>about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital projects to
>solve 
>a  problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA is
>already  
>everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do just  
>fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)
>
>
>Tom Badrick
>Badrick Consulting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:
>
>
>Our  school system is putting these out in all of the schools at  the
>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to  H1N1.
>Our
>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to  go ahead
>with
>it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of  the fire
>department concern.
>
>
>Lyle Milby
>City of  Norman
>Environmental Services
>P.O. Box 370
>Norman, OK   73070
>(405) 292-9731
>lyle.milby at normanok.gov
>
>
>
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>-----Original  Message-----
>From:  pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us]  On Behalf Of Suhr,
>Marcus W.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20  PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand  sanitizer
>
>
>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol  sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or  they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was  required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a  clear
>example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.   Everyone
>thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being  requested to bring it to school?    
>
>
>Marcus Suhr, ASP  
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational  Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE  19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax)  
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: "Gressitt,Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>, Lyle Milby
><Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr,Marcus W."
><MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Cc: linkfilion at yahoo.com, Elizabeth Smith <smithce at flash.net>,
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>Dr. Jerry Miller, an epidemiologist, at our Foundation would be a good
>person to consult with.  He did a fellowship at CDC in Atlanta and is
>now our VP for Research.
>
>
>For schools and some clinical facilitites, we recommend simple, proper
>handwashing with soap and warm water as well as prudent hygiene and
>sanitation practices.  Some school districts are presenting learning
>lessons with practices in the lavatory for the correct handwashing.  I
>heard one school has kids reciting the alphabet A-Z (approx 15
>sec--about same time recommended by CDC for kids) to time how long they
>should lather hands with soap before rinsing.  Paper napkins or
>motion-sensed driers are used to dry hands.  Some even instruct kids to
>avoid touching door handles and open the door with a paper napkin and
>throw the napkin the waste basket right outside the restroom.
>
>
>Kids are reminded to cover their nose and mouths with tissue when they
>sneeze or cough.  If tissue paper is not available, they are instructed
>to cough or sneeze into their folded upper arms so they won't spread
>germs.  It's hoot to walk into a classroom as see kids practicing how to
>cough into their arms.  Many lessons that I'm mentioned are strategies
>being used mainly on the west coast as an introduction to personal
>hygiene as well as proper etiquette.
>
>
>Hand sanitizing, disinfecting gels, liquids, ointments, etc. are useful
>in some occasions but probably not too wise as an effort to prevent
>infection and cross contamination.  to require parents to provide the
>product to their kids without sufficient rationale for the parents or
>the kids might be interpreted as an extraneous attempt to combat the
>H1N1 epidemic.  There's already a misplaced fear of H1N1 being spread by
>pork products.  Please save the bacon!
>
>
>Reliance on only these liquids or gel sanitzers may produce some
>unintended consequences.  CDC reports 2 million cases of nosocomial
>infections in our hospitals resulting in 90,000 deaths of our patients
>each year.  Hospitals are frantically investing money into putting
>dispensers with hand sanitizers on the floors, in patients' rooms,
>waiting rooms, etc.  Some hospitals hire secret monitors to observe
>handwashing and record noncompliance; some even pay staff members to
>wash their hands correctly out of sheer desperation.  in addition to
>carrying the stethoscope and cheat sheets in their pockets, many nurses
>and docs are given courtesy of the medical supply companies personal
>bottles of hand sanitzers.  Hence, many are skippping the standard sink
>and soap routine.  
>
>
>The results have not been too impressive: infection rate has not gotten
>better.  As a matter of fact, healthcare professionals' behavior and
>attitude with proper handwashing have worsen.  
>
>
>We were contracted by a major company in Austin TX to provide a health
>education and promotion poster for handwashing--we recommended soap and
>water and hygiene.  We thought about inviting those kids to do a demo
>for the company's execs and remind them that sometimes simple is best,
>like the ABCs.
>
>
>
>
>Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH
>President and CEO
>Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov>
>Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:39 PM
>To: Lyle Milby <Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov>, "Suhr, Marcus W."
><MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org>, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what? 
>
>
>Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director
>Office of Adult Mental Health Services
>Department of Health and Human Services
>Marquardt Building, 2nd Floor
>11 State House Station
>32 Blossom Lane
>Augusta, ME  04333-0011
>Ph: (207)287-4273
>Fax: (207)287-1022
>Cell Phone: (207) 441-0291
>E-Mail : stevan.gressitt at maine.gov
>http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mh/
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>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Lyle
>Milby
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM
>To: Suhr, Marcus W.; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1.  Our
>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
>it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
>department concern.
>
>
>Lyle Milby
>City of Norman
>Environmental Services
>P.O. Box 370
>Norman, OK  73070
>(405) 292-9731
>lyle.milby at normanok.gov
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,
>Marcus W.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.  Everyone thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    
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>Marcus Suhr, ASP 
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE 19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax) 
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:54 -0500
>From: "Volkman, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: <TBadrick at aol.com>, <pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us>
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>My kids haven't been asked to carry concealed yet.  They used to get an
>extra credit point for bringing a box of tissues to class, but the
>school disallowed that practice this year because they felt it might be
>unfair to those who could not afford to supply the school with tissues.
>So, the kids are packing their own or using the back of the hand, wall,
>desk or whatever is handy.  Management at our state agency (and probably
>all of them in MN) issued each desk a 4 oz bottle (apparently this
>equals about 8 martinis) and a container of wipes.  I've heard they will
>be installing dispensers outside all of our conference rooms, just like
>hospitals.  A nurse friend of mine said they had to switch to another
>type of sanitizer at her hospital because too many employees (they like
>to blame the janitors) were adding a shot to their morning coffee. It
>fits right in with all the other craziness...must be something in the
>water...
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>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
>TBadrick at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01 PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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>I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital.  In an age where fire
>marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire
>risk....its okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as
>compressed gas cylinders) of flammable materials every twenty feet or so
>along a wall?..  gee I feel safe now.  Whatever happened to soap and
>water and proper technique?  is that too complicated?  This is what
>happens when rampant uneducated fear trumps science and logic.
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>I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf
>Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I
>could think about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital
>projects to solve a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess
>what MRSA is already everywhere and that just employing proper hand
>washing would do just fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)
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>Tom Badrick
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>Badrick Consulting
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>In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:
>
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>Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
>the
>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
>H1N1.  Our
>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go
>ahead with
>it.  I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
>department concern.
>
>
>Lyle Milby
>City of Norman
>Environmental Services
>P.O. Box 370
>Norman, OK  73070
>(405) 292-9731
>lyle.milby at normanok.gov
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>From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
>Suhr,
>Marcus W.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
>To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>
>
>I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
>sanitizer
>recently.  Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
>they start
>getting the swift idea of lighting it.  My own step-son was
>required by
>the school to bring a bottle to begin the year.  This is a clear
>example
>of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
>Everyone thinks
>sanitizer is so great.  
>
>
>Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?    
>
>
>Marcus Suhr, ASP 
>Industrial Hygienist 
>Christiana Care Health Services 
>Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J 
>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
>Newark, DE 19718 
>302-733-3787 (office)
>302-573-7662 (pager) 
>302-733-3771 (fax) 
>MSuhr at christianacare.org
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>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:30 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <mirelesmc at earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
>To: "Volkman,Jennifer" <Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us>,
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