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<DIV>Cool we need more chloroform ;-) Many years ago I managed a recycling
program for the charming solvent and learned all about how unpleasant
chlorinated (and fluorinated) solvents were. Right after that I
worked for an electronics company (safety officer) where staff would tell
me how the freon based vapor degreasers were great for acne treatment
on their faces. Don't forget chloroforms highly proven ability to damage
livers including enhancing the deleterious effects on alcohol on the
liver.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I've heard widespread dermatitis to more hand sanitizing products than
alcohol based and surprise, those companies also sell lotions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>we could probably pay for a national drug take back program by investing in
those products as a group ;-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Badrick</DIV>
<DIV>who wants bonus points for using deleterious correctly</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/29/2009 3:52:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mirelesmc@earthlink.net writes:</DIV>
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<P>There are also some product complaints about dermatitis from overuse.
Alcohol is one of the best reagent and solvent (break down
fats, easily absorbed transdermally, and good disinfectant) that dissolves
non-polar substances. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Now is the time to invest in companies that make Purell, Germ-X, GermOut,
Lysol, and Baccide. I believe these products fall under cosmetics not
medical. Therefore, regulation is almost none. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>More of these products are adding triclosan and benzalkonium chloride to
fight germs. There a growing concern that benzalkonium Cl is
actually promoting resistance in MRSA. Triclosan is showing up more and
more in our environmen as one of the most prevalent organic contaminants in
waste water. When added to chlorine (e.g. from tap water), guess
what? Chloroform is made. What a great organic chem lesson!</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Chloroform is a highly suspected human carcinogen!</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Attempts with alcohol-free products have not been too
successful. Just a few months ago, Clarcon hand sanitzer was pulled from
market because studies found the produce to cause opportunistic skin
infections.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Back to soap and water.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH</P>
<P>President and CEO</P>
<P>Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety</P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
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<P> </P>
<P><BR><BR><BR> </P>
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<JENNIFER.VOLKMAN@STATE.MN.US><BR>Sent: Sep 29, 2009 6:22 PM <BR>To:
TBadrick@aol.com, pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us <BR>Subject: RE:
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<P class=MsoPlainText>My kids haven’t been asked to carry concealed
yet. They used to get an extra credit point for bringing a box of
tissues to class, but the school disallowed that practice this year because
they felt it might be unfair to those who could not afford to supply the
school with tissues. So, the kids are packing their own or using the
back of the hand, wall, desk or whatever is handy. Management at our
state agency (and probably all of them in MN) issued each desk a 4 oz bottle
(apparently this equals about 8 martinis) and a container of wipes.
I've heard they will be installing dispensers outside all of our conference
rooms, just like hospitals. A nurse friend of mine said they had to
switch to another type of sanitizer at her hospital because too many
employees (they like to blame the janitors) were adding a shot to their
morning coffee. It fits right in with all the other craziness…must be
something in the water…<o:p></o:p></P>
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pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>TBadrick@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01
PM<BR><B>To:</B> pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
refer to them as little bombs in the hospital. In an age where fire
marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire risk....its
okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas
cylinders) of flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a
wall?.. gee I feel safe now. Whatever happened to soap and water
and proper technique? is that too complicated? This is what
happens when rampant uneducated fear trumps science and
logic.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf Blitzer
comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I could think
about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital projects to solve
a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA is already
everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do just
fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Badrick<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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Consulting<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In
a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Lyle.Milby@NormanOK.gov writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the<BR>recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1. Our<BR>Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided
to go ahead with<BR>it. I assume it is an alcohol based product
because of the fire<BR>department concern.<BR><BR>Lyle Milby<BR>City of
Norman<BR>Environmental Services<BR>P.O. Box 370<BR>Norman, OK
73070<BR>(405)
292-9731<BR>lyle.milby@normanok.gov<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
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pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR>[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]
On Behalf Of Suhr,<BR>Marcus W.<BR>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20
PM<BR>To: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE:
hand sanitizer<BR><BR>I read an article where a child was poisoned by
alcohol sanitizer<BR>recently. Its only a matter of time before a
child dies, or they start<BR>getting the swift idea of lighting it.
My own step-son was required by<BR>the school to bring a bottle to begin
the year. This is a clear example<BR>of bringing an item to market,
and not enough controls. Everyone thinks<BR>sanitizer is so
great. <BR><BR>Anyone else being requested to bring it to
school? <BR><BR>Marcus Suhr, ASP <BR>Industrial Hygienist
<BR>Christiana Care Health Services <BR>Occupational Safety Department,
Office L840J <BR>4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road <BR>Newark, DE 19718
<BR>302-733-3787 (office)<BR>302-573-7662 (pager) <BR>302-733-3771 (fax)
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