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<DIV>One of the main problems with various E-waste legislations is that the distribution network was not included in any responsibility for take-back, so it would have to be contractual with each manufacturer and the distributors and sales chain. Everybody in the middle makes money too, so they should be part of the solution as well. </DIV>
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<DIV>Some will make specious arguments (as in Electronics sales) that they do not know of the final end point of some products, since that task is turned over to the distribution network, but that is incorrect. Every unit is tracked by barcode so that everybody in the middle, sales for manufacturers, production and planning gets paid their fair share.</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt McCarron <BR><BR>>>> "Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)" <Jennifer.Volkman@state.mn.us> 6/8/2010 9:55 AM >>><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Excellent! I support product stewardship and I agree the scenario you describe would be better than incineration, hands down. I think electronics manufacturers have learned a lot about product design, minimizing waste and hopefully some distribution efficiencies also. </DIV>
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<DIV>I am wondering if you think we should put language directing pharms to be recycled by manufacturers in all product stewardship legislation? Do you think it is best to start with that or work it in later? I like the idea. I also like the idea that people could send unused pharms right back to the mfg, but I'm not sure people would be willing to cover postage. Maybe they could do something like 360 Vodka does, which is to attach an envelope to return the lock cap for reuse for any first time prescription. I am also thinkikng about the supplements I took back to GNC. Nothing they have is controlled or prescribed, it seems like they'd be in a great position to guide that stuff back to the manufacturer.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=tahoma size=2>Also, although manufacturers do have reverse distribution in place and do give credit to pharmacies for returned pharms, I have talked with Veolia, a licensed redistributor, and they have stated that the vast majority, 90% plus is disposed of through them vs. routed on to the manufacturer. I am guessing that decision is based on cost and simplicity vs. anything to do with the environment and sustainability. As Rick notes, there is a learning curve. I have not talked to other redistributors that are not also waste management firms, so I am not sure whether that is true for them too. We did have one in MN for awhile and they managed for disposal. Does anyone have a good idea what percentage that is redistributed actually makes it back to the manufacturer?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=tahoma size=2>Maybe we could work with a "green" manufacturer of a line of supplements to see how that would work. It would be a great grant project.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000 size=2><B>From:</B> pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Reibstein, Rick (EEA) [Rick.Reibstein@state.ma.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Matthew Mccarron; Mark; gressitt<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Jeff Hollar'; pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; 'Matthew C. Mireles'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Pharmwaste] San Antonio - Texas / MedDropSA results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I've said this on this list serv several years ago, manufacturer take back is the most protective way to manage this problem. You already have reverse distribution in place. The manufacturer and their production facility already has pollution control for air,water and waste in place at their production facility. If they can formulate, they can deconstruct and recycle chemicals and as an added bonus protect any proprietary formulations due to better product distribution control. Since most of the product sold is consumed cost should be pennies per item sold.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Granted it is cheaper to burn, and currently this industry does not know what the costs for this activity will be. The Pharm industry should take a lesson from the electronics industry by evaluating the cost impact, build it into the product cost and get out ahead of a hodgepodge of well intended but poorly designed and executed state legislation (20 different versions), before it falls into the same trap. The biggest challenge is the overseas manufacturer willingness to comply, which is why Federal legislation is needed to control products sold in the US.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">That actually may qualify each household as small waste generator... : )<BR><BR></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Jeff Hollar <BR>Sent: Jun 7, 2010 2:47 PM <BR>To: <A href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</A> <BR>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] San Antonio - Texas / MedDropSA results <BR><BR><BR></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">May I ask this List Group if any other Program of it’s kind has exceeded 1,336 lbs. for a one time collection of unused/unwanted medicines collected in the US? Thanks.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Resource Protection & Compliance Department</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">San Antonio Water System</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">P.O. Box 2449</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">San Antonio, Texas 78298</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">I wanted to share the results provided by the San Antonio Police Department/Narcotics Division of “MedDropSA” that was held this last Sat. (June 5th) in San Antonio Texas. MedDropSA is the name for the City of San Antonio’s residential pharmaceutical drug disposal program. See Flyer attached. </SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The San Antonio Water System has partnering with the San Antonio Police Department and the City’s Solid Waste Management Division on a new initiative, MedDropSA. This program is designed to collect unwanted or unused medications, both prescription and over-the-counter. The event was scheduled in conjunction with the City’s Household Hazardous Waste collection day to collect old/unneeded pharmaceuticals, providing a safe, free alternative to disposal. </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ken Diehl, Environmental Protection Specialist IV</SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">San Antonio Water System</SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">San Antonio, Texas 78298</SPAN></P>
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