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<p>I am sure diversion comes into play with inventorying and storage. Same day numbers...if they allowed for a larger collection and transfer window for locals, the numbers would be higher. I do not mean to dig on DEA. They are better at some things than others
and we all have different mandates and philosophies that get pretty hard wired over time. I do believe it would have been possible to establish a full partnership that encompassed our quest for data to help prevent waste and for fully compliant disposal, while
accomodating DEA's commitment to limiting diversion potential and a quick turn around on data. The problem was they didn't know/acknowledge we existed and they established protocol without receiving critical input. And it didn't evolve much with subsequent
events. I am glad you are still pushing! Perhaps some states succeeded. </p>
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<p>I'm the one who issues the approvals for destruction of HH pharms at WTE facilities and, no, they didn't get a variance. There were some local/state politics that I, and others, thought had been resolved related to disposal. We'll get it figured out. I'm
more frustrated with the confusion it causes for the nearly 100 sites in MN that are doing permanent collection and events. Ya know, just more work for me and my co-workers!</p>
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<p>Have a great Friday and weekend everyone!</p>
<p>JV </p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 24, 2012 6:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pharmwaste] DEA Collection Correction<br>
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<div>Thanks for your thoughts. From what you say it seems we have some hope for an early start time on April 28th.</div>
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<div>I offered our local DEA agent the option of a pick-up late Saturday, Sunday, or Monday. Secure storage is not a problem since we recently bought a 20' trailer specifically to stockpile pharm waste generated by our upcoming drop-box program.
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The agent I spoke with seemed set on a same day pick-up. It seems DEA headquarters expects regional offices to report results for all collections, and complete destruction, that same day. </div>
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<div>Of the many DEA agents I have spoken with, not one expressed interest in seeing inventory results. It seems to me they view inventorying it as a possible diversion (in both senses) from the collection/destruction task at hand.</div>
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<div>Could the MN DEA have gotten a variance to use an incinerator that isn’t approved by the MPCA for disposal? Here in NY, we need to get a variance to use an EPA approved energy recovery incinerator for pharmaceutical destruction.</div>
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<div>I don't think law enforcement agencies in my area have received a letter from the DEC inviting participation.</div>
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<div>>>> "Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)" <a href="mailto:jennifer.volkman@state.mn.us> 2/23/2012 7:48 PM >>" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #002060; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">When DEA does events here, they seem to be compelled to collect and destroy everything the same day as the collection event. Maybe that is a parameter they’ve
decided to stick firmly to? As such, extending the hours any later doesn’t work here, although I think an earlier start would be fine. They don’t do much advertising and last time they did a press conference for the event, it wasn’t covered by any of the news
media as far as we could find, so adjusting the hours locally to be earlier would probably work out. Advertising may be different/better in your state, but they pretty much leave it to the locals here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #002060; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">DEA sets the pickup/drop off locations and time for participating law enforcement. If you miss the handoff place and time, you don’t get your pharm waste
transport and disposal cost covered by them. If people here were interested in inventorying, they could, they just wouldn’t get their costs covered, which may or may not be a big deal. It seems they could find a secure location to hold the stuff for a day
to allow for inventorying and a larger window of time for law enforcement to bring in their waste. We have a brand new giant BCA building here in St. Paul…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #002060; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Our DEA sent out a letter on Feb 6 to the MN’s Sheriff’s Association inviting participants. I received it from one of the county participants on Feb 7, so
they forwarded it out right away. In this letter they listed an incinerator that they’ve used but isn’t approved by the MPCA for disposal, further confusing the disposal issue that I’ve been chasing down and presenting workshops on for over a year.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #002060; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Perhaps if you help them locate a secure storage facility (local evidence rooms aren’t generally large enough) and whatever else you can do to make it easier,
they’ll agree to it. The data would be useful to DEA unless they are hoping that the percentage of controlled substances collected is more than the usual 5-10%. It is still significant at that level given they collected 377,096 total pounds at the Sept 2011
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Gottlieb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] DEA Collection Correction</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On 1/21 (Vol 75, Issue 13) I reported that a DEA officer told me law enforcement agencies wouldn't be able to sign-up for the April 28th collection
event until 6 or 7 weeks before the event. That was not correct. They can sign-up now.</span></p>
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Chair, Coalition for Safe Medication Disposal<br>
Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator<br>
Ithaca Area Wastewater Treatment Facility<br>
525 3rd Street<br>
Ithaca, NY 14850<br>
(607) 273-8381<br>
fax: (607) 273-8433</span></p>
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