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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">For those of you that do not agree with regulations I suggest you prove them wrong with validated peer reviewed data. I asked this once while defending the environmental data requirements on fate and transport of pesticides in air, water, soil, plants and animals; data requirements that I wrote from a person who wanted certain data requirements dropped. I agreed to consider dropping the requirement if that person had validated data and would reveal what he had, if any. That person dropped the question as fast as he asked the question.</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">By-the-way, EPA did studies on portable incinerators and incinerator ships back in the early 1980s. I would suggest one ask EPA for that data.</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Here are questions I would ask.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>A.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Chemical extraction methods not determinative methods.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>1.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">How where extraction methods validated?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>2.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Where the extraction methods peered reviewed?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>3.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">What where the peer review comments?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>4.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">What is the percent error of the extraction procedures?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>5.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Has a material balance for extraction of analytes been discerned over different time frames up to at least six months?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.75in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>6.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">How much of the analyte is bound to the matrix extracted?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>B.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Validation of methods.</span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoNormal" align="center"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Are chemical extraction methods valid?</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Are chemical extraction methods valid to extract chemicals from water with suspended sediment, soil, sediment, sewage sludge, plants and animals? These methods may be solid waste (SW) methods or pesticide methods used to extract chemicals and degradation products from soil, sediment, sewage sludge, plants and animals. Do the methods extract residues that have a high Koc (organic carbon partition coefficient) value in soil or a high Kow (octanol water partition coefficient) value in fat tissue? If you want to know these values read my book<span style="COLOR:black"> <i>Fate and Transport of Organic Chemicals in the Environment (third edition)</i></span>. Bottom line answer is almost all the methods have not been validated. Fortifying a matrix and extracting does not prove that an extraction procedure will work for chemicals aged in the matrix over time (i.e. 30, 60 & 120 days).</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">By validation, I mean using procedures like those that I wrote in 40 CFR § 158:290 <span style="COLOR:black">and </span>§ 158.1300 Subpart N, which FIFRA requires by aging of pesticides in soil to discern bound residues, extraction of parent and degradates and analytical efficiency. These data requirements were started in the USDA around 1967 because radiotracer studies for petition for tolerances indicated pesticide residues were not being totally extracted and where showing up in crops (rotational crops) when they shouldn’t have been. This does not mean that those residues determined by other methods were incorrect. Please remember that residues under FIFRA include parent and degradation products.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It means that the total amount or residues extracted is questionable and that there may have been a lot more not extracted. </span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It means that many other chemicals may not been have been extracted and thus not determined. </span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It means that there may be chemical residues not extracted, which could be available for plant and animal uptake.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It means that a hazard assessment cannot be accurate without knowing total exposure via inhalation, absorption and ingestion of total residues (extractable and un-extractable).</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Here are examples of some questions that I have asked concerning residues in sediment, plants, sewage sludge, water, etc.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoBodyText"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><span style><font size="5">1.</font><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><font size="5">Do the extraction procedures/methods extract residues bound in the organic matter of soil or sediment?</font></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoBodyText"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><span style><font size="5">2.</font><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><font size="5">Do the extraction procedures/methods extract residues bound in fat in animals?</font></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoBodyText"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><span style><font size="5">3.</font><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><font size="5">Do the extraction procedures/methods provide a material balance for residues in each of the following matrices soil, plants and animals, that is total residues of parent, degradates, and bound (non-extractable residues) residues?</font></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoBodyText"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><span style><font size="5">4.</font><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><font size="5">Where radiotracer methods used to obtain data as question in three above?</font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">So what could all this mean? </span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>1.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It could mean that all the residues (parent and degradates) are not determined in the food we eat.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>2.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It could mean that all the residues (parent and degradates) are not determined in soil, animals, sediment, and sewage sludge and residues are much higher in environmental matrixes than extracted and determined. </span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>3.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">It means that exposure may be greater than expected.</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 1.5in" class="MsoBodyTextIndent"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt">Many may say exposure to chemicals and/or biologicals in consumer products, in the environment, etc. is so small there is little chance of risk.<span style> </span>While this may be true in many cases, safety cannot be judged on one chemical or one biological alone.<span style> </span>Humans and other animals are a mixture of chemicals and biologicals, and we take in hundreds of different chemicals and biologicals a year.<span style> </span>How safe are these chemicals and degradates (pesticides, hormones, metals, etc.) and biologicals when the aggregate, synergistic, antagonistic, co-metabolism and co-biometabolism effects are never mentioned or studied to any extent, if at all and, they are not used in risk assessments?<span style> </span>In other words, the total picture is never known or considered for hazards to adults, child endangerment and environmental safety when it should be required.</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>C.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Model(s).</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>1.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">What are the model(s) used?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>2.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">How where the models validated?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>3.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Where the model(s) peered reviewed?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>4.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">What where the peer review comments?</span></p>
<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt"><span style>5.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">What is the percent error of the model(s)?</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Respectfully,</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:14pt">Ronald E. Ney, Jr. </span></p>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. RE: pharmaceutical incineration (Gilliam, Allen)<br> 2. FW: pharmaceutical incineration (Bunnell, Ross)<br> 3. RE: pharmaceutical incineration (Fredrick L. Miller)<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: "Gilliam, Allen" <<a href="mailto:GILLIAM@adeq.state.ar.us">GILLIAM@adeq.state.ar.us</a>><br>To: "Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)" <<a href="mailto:jennifer.volkman@state.mn.us">jennifer.volkman@state.mn.us</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>" <<a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:29:22 -0500<br>Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">As a preeminent scientist with EPA in Las Vegas has stated (something to the affect), “We’re probably doing more harm to the environment via all the combustion engine emissions being discharged from individual household vehicles to the big diesel trucks’ emissions hauling the collections to a distant regulated haz waste incinerator”. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Has anyone put a pencil to that comparison to the relatively small emissions from the “terminator”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Just another fed reg where you cannot mention common sense in the same breath without creating an oxymoron, seems to me, painted road-kill raccoons et. al.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">In MN, they'd have to be fully permitted according to the applicable AQ standards, SW or HW, I'm not sure of the specifics. Either way, the permitting requirements make it not feasible. Enforcement would shut them down. We're fortunate to have 10 WTE's available, including a medical waste incinerator and a few that are coal/RDF plants and half of them are approved to accept household generated pharm waste. All of them could be permitted to accept it if they choose. I should check what the longest travel distance would be, probably 2.5 hours one way. Some county law enforcement entities consolidate waste between them so that they each only have to make a trip every few years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] on behalf of Fredrick L. Miller [<a href="mailto:millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu" target="_blank">millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman','serif';FONT-SIZE:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Not in Washington. I doubt they’d ever be able to meet pollution control and permit requirements here. They certainly would never pass muster with our actively interested and VERY vocal citizens.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">From a regulatory standpoint, how do they fit in non-attainment areas? What’s the mechanism for working with various airshed PCAs? They’re combusting MSW, at best, and depending upon the source of the materials combusted, perhaps RCRA waste. How are those hurdles overcome and the RCRA aspect controlled for? I’m very curious as I’ve had people in states outside Washington propose similar operations and I’ve always advised against it on regulatory (pain) grounds. If you’ve found a wrinkle in the CAA that allows for reasonable size burners that can meet all those regulatory challenges I’d be most grateful to see what you’ve got.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]" target="_blank">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoffman, Deb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 5:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:midwestpsc@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">midwestpsc@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] pharmaceutical incineration</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Greetings,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here in Ohio, we’re discussing the usage of the portable incinerators, from an air pollution standpoint. I’ve been working with a colleague in the Ohio EPA Division of Air Pollution Control. I’d like to know if anyone is aware of any recent research on the effectiveness of portable incinerators, or if they are being used in other states. And if you would like to share incineration options in your state, I would be interested in hearing them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Environmental Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Division of Materials and Waste Management<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ohio EPA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="tel:614.728.5353" target="_blank" value="+16147285353">614.728.5353</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Bunnell, Ross" <<a href="mailto:Ross.Bunnell@ct.gov">Ross.Bunnell@ct.gov</a>><br>
To: "'<a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>'" <<a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:05:25 -0400<br>
Subject: [Pharmwaste] FW: pharmaceutical incineration<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">All humor aside, I think we need to keep in mind that there is more to consider here than air emissions and the effect that a small unit like this would have on the environment at large. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">More specifically, with a unit like this, which has a stack at or close to human nose level, this is also a worker exposure issue. While a unit like this one could probably (I say probably) destroy most pharmaceuticals to a high degree of efficiency (if operated correctly), there are other pharmaceuticals that might be resistant to thermal destruction, that might form toxic combustions products (dioxins, furans, PAHs, etc.), or that might create inorganic emissions (e.g. arsenic fume from burning arsenic trioxide). In my opinion this is actually the more relevant and germane issue. I’m not sure I’d like to be the junior police officer that is tasked with the job of running this thing, even if I was standing upwind.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">Shipping the stuff to a trash-to-energy plant makes a lot more sense to me (no worker exposure, the combustion unit has sophisticated air pollution control equipment run by knowledgeable staff and has a tall stack, etc.).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">--Ross Bunnell, CT DEEP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilliam, Allen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 1:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA); <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">As a preeminent scientist with EPA in Las Vegas has stated (something to the affect), “We’re probably doing more harm to the environment via all the combustion engine emissions being discharged from individual household vehicles to the big diesel trucks’ emissions hauling the collections to a distant regulated haz waste incinerator”. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Has anyone put a pencil to that comparison to the relatively small emissions from the “terminator”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Just another fed reg where you cannot mention common sense in the same breath without creating an oxymoron, seems to me, painted road-kill raccoons et. al.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Allen g<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">In MN, they'd have to be fully permitted according to the applicable AQ standards, SW or HW, I'm not sure of the specifics. Either way, the permitting requirements make it not feasible. Enforcement would shut them down. We're fortunate to have 10 WTE's available, including a medical waste incinerator and a few that are coal/RDF plants and half of them are approved to accept household generated pharm waste. All of them could be permitted to accept it if they choose. I should check what the longest travel distance would be, probably 2.5 hours one way. Some county law enforcement entities consolidate waste between them so that they each only have to make a trip every few years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] on behalf of Fredrick L. Miller [<a href="mailto:millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu" target="_blank">millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman','serif';FONT-SIZE:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Not in Washington. I doubt they’d ever be able to meet pollution control and permit requirements here. They certainly would never pass muster with our actively interested and VERY vocal citizens.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"> </span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">>From a regulatory standpoint, how do they fit in non-attainment areas? What’s the mechanism for working with various airshed PCAs? They’re combusting MSW, at best, and depending upon the source of the materials combusted, perhaps RCRA waste. How are those hurdles overcome and the RCRA aspect controlled for? I’m very curious as I’ve had people in states outside Washington propose similar operations and I’ve always advised against it on regulatory (pain) grounds. If you’ve found a wrinkle in the CAA that allows for reasonable size burners that can meet all those regulatory challenges I’d be most grateful to see what you’ve got.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Fred</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]" target="_blank">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoffman, Deb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 5:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:midwestpsc@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">midwestpsc@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] pharmaceutical incineration</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Greetings,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here in Ohio, we’re discussing the usage of the portable incinerators, from an air pollution standpoint. I’ve been working with a colleague in the Ohio EPA Division of Air Pollution Control. I’d like to know if anyone is aware of any recent research on the effectiveness of portable incinerators, or if they are being used in other states. And if you would like to share incineration options in your state, I would be interested in hearing them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Environmental Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Division of Materials and Waste Management<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ohio EPA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="tel:614.728.5353" target="_blank" value="+16147285353">614.728.5353</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Fredrick L. Miller" <<a href="mailto:millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu">millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu</a>><br>
To: "'<a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>'" <<a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:29 +0000<br>
Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">I concur with Ross on this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Allen,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">I got mad enough at the “do something, anything, green and do it now” dunderheads a few years back when the panderers in Olympia declared all fluorescent lighting, regardless of type, from state owned and leased buildings in Washington would be “recycled” that I calculated both GHG and mercury emissions from said activity and contrasted them with landfill disposal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">I accounted for<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Transportation, including roadway maintenance, fuel refining, distribution and consumption, vehicle construction and maintenance<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Emissions from coal fired electrical generation in the manufacturing process of materials required for the above<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><span>3.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Fate of residuals<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><span>4.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Landfill standards (local disposal at modern Subtitle D v. Subtitle C where Hg recycler disposes), along with transport of residual from Hg recycler to Subtitle C landfill (Wisconsin to Alabama) and sham “recycling” of glass components which end up as MSW.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><span>5.<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">MSW contribution from CFL (over 90% of mass)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">It turns out we emit over three times as much mercury to the atmosphere if we recycle out here in the west, Racine Wisconsin being the closest retort, as we would if we just threw the darned things down in the parking lot and broke them. Then, nearly as much mercury ends up in the retort residuals in a landfill in Alabama which isn’t as secure as our local MSW landfill only 250 miles away from the most distant transfer station in the state. Our GHG emissions from recycling exceed what they would be from MSW disposal by two orders of magnitude. And we don’t save one blessed cubic meter of landfill space!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Oh, then there’s the little fact that those lamps cost us on the order of $30/kg (converted from average weight per linear ft. at state contract price) instead of $90/ton. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Gosh, I love it when activist amateurs save the planet. I can’t imagine what useful things we could have done with that money instead of enriching a “recycling” industry that’s simply warehousing an unwanted commodity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Fred<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bunnell, Ross<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 11:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> '<a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] FW: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">All humor aside, I think we need to keep in mind that there is more to consider here than air emissions and the effect that a small unit like this would have on the environment at large. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">More specifically, with a unit like this, which has a stack at or close to human nose level, this is also a worker exposure issue. While a unit like this one could probably (I say probably) destroy most pharmaceuticals to a high degree of efficiency (if operated correctly), there are other pharmaceuticals that might be resistant to thermal destruction, that might form toxic combustions products (dioxins, furans, PAHs, etc.), or that might create inorganic emissions (e.g. arsenic fume from burning arsenic trioxide). In my opinion this is actually the more relevant and germane issue. I’m not sure I’d like to be the junior police officer that is tasked with the job of running this thing, even if I was standing upwind.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">Shipping the stuff to a trash-to-energy plant makes a lot more sense to me (no worker exposure, the combustion unit has sophisticated air pollution control equipment run by knowledgeable staff and has a tall stack, etc.).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#993366">--Ross Bunnell, CT DEEP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]" target="_blank">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilliam, Allen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 1:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA); <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">As a preeminent scientist with EPA in Las Vegas has stated (something to the affect), “We’re probably doing more harm to the environment via all the combustion engine emissions being discharged from individual household vehicles to the big diesel trucks’ emissions hauling the collections to a distant regulated haz waste incinerator”. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Has anyone put a pencil to that comparison to the relatively small emissions from the “terminator”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Just another fed reg where you cannot mention common sense in the same breath without creating an oxymoron, seems to me, painted road-kill raccoons et. al.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]" target="_blank">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">In MN, they'd have to be fully permitted according to the applicable AQ standards, SW or HW, I'm not sure of the specifics. Either way, the permitting requirements make it not feasible. Enforcement would shut them down. We're fortunate to have 10 WTE's available, including a medical waste incinerator and a few that are coal/RDF plants and half of them are approved to accept household generated pharm waste. All of them could be permitted to accept it if they choose. I should check what the longest travel distance would be, probably 2.5 hours one way. Some county law enforcement entities consolidate waste between them so that they each only have to make a trip every few years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman','serif';FONT-SIZE:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">Not in Washington. I doubt they’d ever be able to meet pollution control and permit requirements here. They certainly would never pass muster with our actively interested and VERY vocal citizens.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d">>From a regulatory standpoint, how do they fit in non-attainment areas? What’s the mechanism for working with various airshed PCAs? They’re combusting MSW, at best, and depending upon the source of the materials combusted, perhaps RCRA waste. How are those hurdles overcome and the RCRA aspect controlled for? I’m very curious as I’ve had people in states outside Washington propose similar operations and I’ve always advised against it on regulatory (pain) grounds. If you’ve found a wrinkle in the CAA that allows for reasonable size burners that can meet all those regulatory challenges I’d be most grateful to see what you’ve got.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]" target="_blank">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoffman, Deb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 5:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:midwestpsc@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">midwestpsc@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] pharmaceutical incineration</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Greetings,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here in Ohio, we’re discussing the usage of the portable incinerators, from an air pollution standpoint. I’ve been working with a colleague in the Ohio EPA Division of Air Pollution Control. I’d like to know if anyone is aware of any recent research on the effectiveness of portable incinerators, or if they are being used in other states. And if you would like to share incineration options in your state, I would be interested in hearing them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Deb Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Environmental Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Division of Materials and Waste Management<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ohio EPA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="tel:614.728.5353" target="_blank" value="+16147285353">614.728.5353</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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