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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>All humor aside, I think we need to keep in mind that there is more to consider here than air emissions and the effect that a small unit like this would have on the environment at large. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>More specifically, with a unit like this, which has a stack at or close to human nose level, this is also a worker exposure issue. While a unit like this one could probably (I say probably) destroy most pharmaceuticals to a high degree of efficiency (if operated correctly), there are other pharmaceuticals that might be resistant to thermal destruction, that might form toxic combustions products (dioxins, furans, PAHs, etc.), or that might create inorganic emissions (e.g. arsenic fume from burning arsenic trioxide). In my opinion this is actually the more relevant and germane issue. I’m not sure I’d like to be the junior police officer that is tasked with the job of running this thing, even if I was standing upwind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>Shipping the stuff to a trash-to-energy plant makes a lot more sense to me (no worker exposure, the combustion unit has sophisticated air pollution control equipment run by knowledgeable staff and has a tall stack, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>--Ross Bunnell, CT DEEP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilliam, Allen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 1:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA); Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a preeminent scientist with EPA in Las Vegas has stated (something to the affect), “We’re probably doing more harm to the environment via all the combustion engine emissions being discharged from individual household vehicles to the big diesel trucks’ emissions hauling the collections to a distant regulated haz waste incinerator”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has anyone put a pencil to that comparison to the relatively small emissions from the “terminator”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just another fed reg where you cannot mention common sense in the same breath without creating an oxymoron, seems to me, painted road-kill raccoons et. al.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allen g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA)<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In MN, they'd have to be fully permitted according to the applicable AQ standards, SW or HW, I'm not sure of the specifics. Either way, the permitting requirements make it not feasible. Enforcement would shut them down. We're fortunate to have 10 WTE's available, including a medical waste incinerator and a few that are coal/RDF plants and half of them are approved to accept household generated pharm waste. All of them could be permitted to accept it if they choose. I should check what the longest travel distance would be, probably 2.5 hours one way. Some county law enforcement entities consolidate waste between them so that they each only have to make a trip every few years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF701661><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] on behalf of Fredrick L. Miller [millerfl@tricity.wsu.edu]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] RE: pharmaceutical incineration</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Not in Washington. I doubt they’d ever be able to meet pollution control and permit requirements here. They certainly would never pass muster with our actively interested and VERY vocal citizens.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>From a regulatory standpoint, how do they fit in non-attainment areas? What’s the mechanism for working with various airshed PCAs? They’re combusting MSW, at best, and depending upon the source of the materials combusted, perhaps RCRA waste. How are those hurdles overcome and the RCRA aspect controlled for? I’m very curious as I’ve had people in states outside Washington propose similar operations and I’ve always advised against it on regulatory (pain) grounds. If you’ve found a wrinkle in the CAA that allows for reasonable size burners that can meet all those regulatory challenges I’d be most grateful to see what you’ve got.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Fred</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]">[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoffman, Deb<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 5:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">Pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:midwestpsc@googlegroups.com">midwestpsc@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] pharmaceutical incineration</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Greetings,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Here in Ohio, we’re discussing the usage of the portable incinerators, from an air pollution standpoint. I’ve been working with a colleague in the Ohio EPA Division of Air Pollution Control. I’d like to know if anyone is aware of any recent research on the effectiveness of portable incinerators, or if they are being used in other states. And if you would like to share incineration options in your state, I would be interested in hearing them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Deb<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Deb Hoffman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Environmental Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Division of Materials and Waste Management<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ohio EPA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>614.728.5353<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>