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<DIV><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Let me all remind you that this is not the place to be discussing your political views. Keep this type of discussion off the list serve and be considerate of the wide and varied audience this list serve reaches. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Laurie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Laurie Tenace<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>PHARMWASTE LIST SERVE ADMINISTRATOR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Environmental Specialist III<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Waste Reduction Section<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Florida Department of Environmental Protection<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2600 Blair Stone Rd., MS 4555<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Tallahassee FL 32399-2400<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>P: 850.245.8759<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>F: 850.245.8811<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Laurie.Tenace@dep.state.fl.us <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mercury: <a href="http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/mercury/default.htm"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/mercury/default.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Batteries: <a href="http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/batteries/default.htm"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/batteries/default.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Pharmaceuticals: <a href="http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/pharm/"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/pharm/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div></DIV>
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<DIV STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Courier New; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Miller<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pharmwaste] Pharma industry complaint against Alameda County<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my second paragraph I was speaking not to product stewardship but rather law, politics, and human nature. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>You provided “Companies faced with managing their own waste invest in ways to reduce it” and I couldn’t agree more. Where we differ is what constitutes a “company” in this problem. I see the pool of prescribing professionals, dispensing outlets, and consumers as the “company” and fates of their wastes to be something THEY must invest in before anything else matters. Where’s their incentive to do better if they’re not paying for waste management in a tangible way? Hidden costs rarely influence behavior of such a “company” because it soon gets shuffled into the background as an unavoidable cost of doing business. When it’s turned into a cost center they must deal with, management (consumers, physicians, pharmacists) suddenly start paying attention because it’s something they can control directly. Don’t take my word for it. Ask any economist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>As I said, mileage may vary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>Servus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA) [<a href="mailto:jennifer.volkman@state.mn.us">mailto:jennifer.volkman@state.mn.us</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Heidi; Fred Miller; <a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pharmwaste] Pharma industry complaint against Alameda County<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I think Fred's first paragraph is interesting and I'm curious to see how this plays out. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I don't have the energy to point out everything wrong with the second paragraph, but if you have no understanding of the concept of product stewardship, then the argument is lost anyway. Alameda was brave to stand up to big PhRMA. They did something that many other states and local units of government have been trying to do for several years. There is national legislation that I've heard is not likely to go anywhere, but it is there because people are tired of industry dumping on government and the taxpayers. We all know everybody pays for this, there is no away, be it through taxes or user fees. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Please consider the real benefits of a great product stewardship program, programs that are in place in other nations: the cradle to cradle system between manufacturers, retail and customer is maintained with no government "out". Companies faced with managing their own waste invest in ways to reduce it, to make products and components that are less toxic and which can be better recycled; they learn what doesn't work (over-prescription or wasting of certain less tolerable drugs), in this case, they develop better ways to deliver drugs/target a problem; they develop transport efficiencies. Those interested in less government should be interested in helping companies get their resources back to the point of manufacture for reuse. I've been in solid waste for 25+ years and government can no longer manage the waste burden. Private industry needs to step up and apply their fabulous brains and resources to this problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Nice way to step up PhRMA. They will spend more on this lawsuit than they would have spent on giving the program a try.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div align=center class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><hr align=center size=2 width="100%"></span></div><div id=divRpF403884><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] on behalf of Heidi [Heidi@calpsc.org]<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2012 6:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Fred Miller; <a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pharmwaste] Pharma industry complaint against Alameda County</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Fred – wow. Calling Supervisor Miley and the county supervisors pandering politicians is completely irresponsible and unprofessional. I’m sorry this type of post is allowed on this listserv.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>Heidi</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Miller<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2012 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pharmwaste] Pharma industry complaint against Alameda County</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>After reading the filing I believe the plaintiffs will prevail on constitutional grounds. Some of their other claims are suspect but the challenge is based upon constitutional law where they stand on fairly firm and clear ground. To go back up the channel beyond the party who imports into a jurisdiction is clearly a violation of the ICC, and even that step is very likely to be slapped down. They can’t even give manufacturers/distributor the option of not doing business in the jurisdiction without violation of the ICC. Political subdivisions may tax activities which occur within their jurisdiction but they can’t reach beyond those geographical bounds. To implement such a program would require federal action to keep from running afoul of the ICC.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I believe these programs should be a function of government. That allows a tax to be imposed upon retail sales within each jurisdiction which is clearly allowed. As this ordinance stands, Alameda County is trying to grab a free ride off the rest of the nation. Their pandering politicians lack the courage to tell people we all bear responsibility for what we consume.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Fred</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [<a href="mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">mailto:pharmwaste-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Cassel<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Pharmwaste] Pharma industry complaint against Alameda County</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks to one of our members for the attached 11-page complaint filed in federal court by PhRMA, GPhA, and BIO against Alameda County's Safe Drug Disposal Ordinance. The lawsuit provides a concise summary of the law. It is also a broad rebuttal against the concept of producer responsibility, arguing that drug-take back programs should be a government function. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>____________________________</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>Scott Cassel</b></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Chief<b> </b>Executive Officer/Founder<br><i>Product Stewardship Institute, Inc.</i><br>29 Stanhope Street<br>Boston, MA 02116<br>617-236-4822 (ph)<br>617-236-4766 (fax) <br></span><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:scott@productstewardship.us" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>scott@productstewardship.us</span></a><br><a href="http://www.productstewardship.us/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.productstewardship.us</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#008040'>Please consider the environment before printing this email</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:gray'>Click to follow us on </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Product-Stewardship-Institute/224328115936?ref=ts" target="_blank"><b><span style='color:#4F81BD'>Facebook</span></b></a></span><b><span style='color:gray'> and </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://twitter.com/productsteward" target="_blank"><b><span style='color:#4F81BD'>Twitter</span></b></a> </span><b><span style='color:gray'>and</span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='color:#4F81BD'><a href="http://productstewardshipinstitute.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4F81BD'>Blog</span></a></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>