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<DIV>Catherine,</DIV>
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<DIV>Hear, Hear!</DIV>
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<DIV>Out of curiosity, I called ABS materials, the maker of Osorb. They will send me information to back-up the claims for removal of:</DIV><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none"><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; TEXT-DECORATION: none">
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<DIV><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Even while: "<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline"><FONT color=#444444 face=Arial>Organic matter is not absorbed..."</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; TEXT-DECORATION: none">The women who took my call wanted to know the reason for my interest. After I told her she suggested that they would like to call me back to start a dialog. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; TEXT-DECORATION: none">I let her know that their website needed a minor tweak, "Pharmaceuticals" were listed twice (see above.) They fixed it within the hour! <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Whatever the actual quality of their product, I think ABS has top notch outreach / sales technique! </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>>>> "Catherine Zimmer" <zenllc@usfamily.net> 10/7/2013 11:15 AM >>><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I am always skeptical of any technology that claims to capture or destroy pharmaceuticals and other pollutants in water. Most articles I’ve read indicate it would take a multitude of technologies, at an extraordinary cost, everything from settling tanks and flocculation to carbon filtration and air stripping to remove all the pollutants from wastewater. The treatment technologies work based on the chemical structure of the drug. For example, carbmazepine and diclofenac can be broken down by ozone. However, iron flocculation has no appreciable effect on removing either drug. Another issue that is not often addressed is what do the breakdown products look like, they are likely still pollutants and are they biologically active? With activated carbon, some pollutants/rx are removed, but the sites on the filter are easily filled and often break through occurs. For something like “Obsorb”, it may work for some pollutants, but won’t work for all, and there is the cost issue, this is essentially a silica filtration system that would have to manage millions of gallons of water per day. And, as we all know, any treatment technology is basically moving the pollutant to another media, e.g. the land or air. It’s the on-going crap shoot of treatment. </DIV>
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<DIV>So, as you all know, I go back to beating the drum of prevention. I know its not as financially attractive as selling the gizmo that does magic, but it does magic without much cost. Prevention of long term chronic illness is a good place to start. In the UK, where they passed legislation calling on the healthcare sector to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2030, they are doing a complete overhaul of their system and starting with prevention. By reducing the patients progressing to chronic disease they minimize resource consumption and by extension, GHG. (Studies indicate 60% of GHG produced in HC are due to products used and disposed.)</DIV>
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<DIV>With the advent of our new healthcare system, I have hope that we will be focusing more on prevention, rather than treatment. As a matter of fact, the UK has a “sustainability division” in their NationaL Health Service—let’s lobby for something similar at CMS. And maybe we will finally start to seriously consider non-pharmaceutical treatments rather than just piling on the pharmaceuticals. It can be done. I know a number of people who are refusing pharmaceuticals in lieu of alternative medicine, even things so boring as exercise, and they are doing well. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Very truly yours,<BR><BR>Catherine Zimmer, MS, BSMT<BR>Principal<BR>Zimmer Environmental Improvement LLC<BR>Ph: 651.645.7509</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=egottlieb@cityofithaca.org href="mailto:egottlieb@cityofithaca.org">Ed Gottlieb</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 07, 2013 9:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us href="mailto:pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us">pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us</A> ; <A title=brian@returnlogistics.com href="mailto:brian@returnlogistics.com">Brian Stenz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pharmwaste] Osorb</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>The correct link is:</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.absmaterials.com/stormwater">http://www.absmaterials.com/stormwater</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Ed<BR><BR>>>> Brian Stenz <brian@returnlogistics.com> 10/7/2013 10:19 AM >>><BR>I'd be curious to learn what others think of this new technology for capturing pharmaceuticals and other chemicals in water.<BR><BR><A href="http://www.absmaterials.com/stormwater---">http://www.absmaterials.com/stormwater---</A><BR>Note: As a courtesy to other listserv subscribers, please post messages to the listserv in plain text format to avoid the garbling of messages received by digest recipients.<BR>---<BR>TO SUBSCRIBE, go to: <A href="http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharmwaste">http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharmwaste</A><BR>TO UNSUBSCRIBE, DO NOT REPLY TO THE LISTSERV. Please send an e-mail to pharmwaste-unsubscribe@lists.dep.state.fl.us -- the subject line and body of the e-mail should be blank.<BR>If you believe you may be subscribed with a different email address, please visit the subscriber listing at <A href="http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/pharmwaste">http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/pharmwaste</A><BR>FOR PROBLEMS: Contact List Administrator Laurie.Tenace@dep.state.fl.us<BR>SEND MAIL to the list server at: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR></DIV>
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