shrug-l: Heads Up

Gary Watry watrygl at nettally.com
Mon Jul 23 10:02:09 EDT 2007


I agree in part

Let anyone who wants to be part of the Shrug Workshop participate. A SHRUG-FLURISA conference is fine but not a FLURISA-SHRUG Conference. This is first and foremost a SHRUG event.

However, I see a large conflict of interest in Lee Hartsfield beimng president of both SHRUG and FLURISA at the same time, especially when they are in discussion with each other.

I believe he should be required to step down from one of these organizations before any further discussion takes place.

A "conflist of interest" or a "preception of a conflict of intesrest" is not in the best interests of either organization.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Wolfe, Heather" <HWolfe at seminolecountyfl.gov>
Date:  Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:55:20 -0400

>I'm not in the Seven Hills area, but wanted to submit a thought to the
>rest of you. I have always thought that one of the  major sources of
>disagreement between surveyors and GIS professionals is that they did
>not understand each other's roles. My personal opinion (I am sure some
>of you feel differently) is that if I can trust a surveyor to collect
>field data for me, if he can do it more accurately than me, and if it is
>not prohibitively priced for my organization, let him (or her) go to it!
>My job is not threatened by this as the majority of what I do is
>analyzing data that has already been collected. I fly a desk, not a
>Trimble. Neither does my existence as a GIS professional not under the
>direct supervision of a surveyor threaten the surveyor's job. Many times
>I have questioned about the validity of putting a GPS in the hands of a
>field tech instead of a surveyor simply because it's cheaper. Most of
>the non-surveyor GPS work that I have seen in different organizations
>has been done that way- by field techs, not by expensive GIS
>professionals.
> 
>The second observation is that many GIS professionals I know don't
>attend FLURISA because it's "mostly for surveyors" (quote from another
>GIS professional I know). Most of us have to choose which conference to
>go to. Which should we spend our education allotment on- SHRUG, SERUG,
>FLURISA or the San Diego ESRI conference? Usually both SHRUG and FLURISA
>lose this contest.  This is a shame because there seems to be a widening
>breach between GIS professionals and surveyors, two groups who could
>cause incredible change to our world for the better if only we can get
>along.  
> 
>In view of that, I think that it would be very beneficial for the two
>groups to have a joint conference. More dialogue usually equals more
>understanding and eventually cooperation.  This seems like a great
>opportunity to help along the relationship between our two groups. Will
>it make SHRUG bigger? Maybe. Is that bad? Sometimes. But there are many
>issues in Florida where the participation of more people would be
>beneficial to all (standardized shapefiles, to name just one).  I think
>that in this situation the greater good outweighs the lesser evil. 
> 
>Thanks for listening to my soapbox speech!
> 
>
>Heather Wolfe
>Sr. GIS Analyst, Planning & Development
>Seminole County Government
>1101 E. First St.
>Sanford, FL 32771
>
>Office 407-665-7378
>Fax 407-665-7412
>HWolfe at seminolecountyfl.gov
>www.seminolecountyfl.gov
>
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Mayo, Michele L. [mailto:Michele.Mayo at dep.state.fl.us] 
>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:09 PM
>To: shrug-L at lists.dep.state.fl.us
>Subject: shrug-l: Heads Up
>
>
>
>Hello List,
>
> 
>
>A proposal was introduced in Thursday's SHRUG quarterly meeting to
>investigate a merger of our annual conference with that of FLURISA,
>known as the Joint Mapping Conference.
>
> 
>
>Lee Hartsfield, current SHRUG president, announced that he had recently
>been elected president of FLURISA.  Lee now serves as president for both
>organizations.  After giving a very general outline of his proposal to
>discuss combining the two conferences, Lee asked the small gathering to
>vote for or against further discussions with FLURISA, saying that,
>according to SHRUG by-laws, there were enough people present to take a
>vote on the matter.  Although several of us expressed reservations, Lee
>did take a vote and his motion was carried.
>
> 
>
>This is not a trivial decision.  In my opinion, any proposal that could
>fundamentally change the character of our organization should be put to
>the SHRUG membership at large before any negotiations are conducted with
>outside parties.  The grass-roots character of SHRUG has kept our
>organization strong, solvent, vibrant and valuable for eight years.  We
>could lose that if we fail to keep the membership informed and involved
>in plotting our future course.
>
> 
>
>If this proposed action concerns you, please let your SHRUG officers
>know.  Their contact information can be found here:
>
> 
>
>http://www.shrug-gis.info/shrug_business.htm
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Michele Mayo, GISP
>
>Florida DEP, Beaches and Coastal Systems
>
>Coastal Data Acquisition Section
>
>3900 Commonwealth Blvd. MS 300
>
>Tallahassee, FL 32399-3000
>
>850.413.7776
>
>michele.mayo at dep.state.fl.us <mailto:michele.mayo at dep.state.fl.us> 
>
>www.floridadep.org/beaches/programs/cda.htm
><http://www.floridadep.org/beaches/programs/cda.htm>
> 
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