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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&#8220;In my opinion, the Export Data
tool's purpose&nbsp;is not to be a re-projection tool<span class=GramE>..&#8221;</span></span></font><font
size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>That&#8217;s my point.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>It&#8217;s not a <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>re-projection</span></i>
tool. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>It&#8217;s a <i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>re-define</span></i> tool.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Thomas, Jim
[mailto:jim_thomas@golder.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
12:01 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Hughes, Ronald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In my opinion, the Export Data tool's
purpose&nbsp;is not to be a re-projection tool, but it can re-project your data
to the data frame's projection during data export.&nbsp; It saves me time
having to go to ArcToolbox to run a re-projection.&nbsp; </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I can also troubleshoot unknown coordinate
systems by changing the data frame coordinate system.&nbsp; When my data lines
up,&nbsp;I can export it to a new file using the data frames coordinate system
while keeping the old file in it's original state.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Hughes,
Ronald [mailto:Ronald.Hughes@dep.state.fl.us] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
11:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Thomas, Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Sorry Thomas, but it doesn&#8217;t re-project.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>That method you used simply re-defines
the projection unless they&#8217;ve changed it in Version 9x (which is highly
doubtful).<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>If you want to change
the geometry, you&#8217;ll need to use ArcToolbox.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It&#8217;s simply isn&#8217;t good
practice to assign incorrect projection files to spatial data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>I hope that clears things up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Thomas, Jim
[mailto:jim_thomas@golder.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
11:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Hughes, Ronald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>It's not simply re-defining.&nbsp; It's
re-projecting.&nbsp; </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>When you use the 'Export Data...' tool
from ArcMap you can select the export coordinate system (see attached
jpg).&nbsp; It will re-project the data to what you define.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The Shruggers can use whatever method
works best for them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Hughes,
Ronald [mailto:Ronald.Hughes@dep.state.fl.us] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
11:23 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Thomas, Jim;
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Actually Thomas, the problem with that is that the NEW shapefile
will still be in STATEPLANE projection.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>In other words, the geometry or &#8220;physical condition&#8221; remains
as STATEPLANE.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>All you&#8217;ve
done is re-define the projection file.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>Defining a projection and actually RE-PROJECTING a shapefile are two
separate things.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Re-projecting a
shapefile involves changing its geometry and topology while re-defining the
projection only changes a text file.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>You never want to assign an incorrect projection file to a shapefile
because it tends to lead to trouble if you send that file to somebody else and
then they try to re-project that shapefile using incorrect projection
information.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>The reason that it appears to work for you is because of the
ArcGIS &#8220;projection on the fly&#8221; capability.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>If you were to use a GIS product that
doesn&#8217;t project &#8220;on-the-fly&#8221; you would see that re-defining
the projection file hasn&#8217;t changed the geometry of the shapefile:
it&#8217;s still in STATEPLANE.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>As far as datum transformation is concerned, when switching
between certain coordinate systems, you may wind up using different datum and
need to transform from one datum to the next.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>For example when I was using ArcGIS version
8x and projected from STATEPLANE NAD83 datum to Geographic North American 1983
HARN datum I would get the following error message:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><img width=480 height=410 id="_x0000_i1026" src="%20"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>I would then have to set the transformation from NAD_1983 to
HARN_Florida:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><img width=422 height=301 id="_x0000_i1027" src="%20"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Many people think that redefining the projection of a shapefile
is the same and projecting a shapefile but it is not.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I hope that I&#8217;ve contributed to
clearing this up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Thomas, Jim [mailto:jim_thomas@golder.com]
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
10:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Hughes, Ronald;
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The steps I listed will work too.&nbsp;
You can export a NEW shapefile from ArcMap in the spatial reference of the data
frame (which can be different than the original shapefile).&nbsp; As long as
everything is defined correctly, you'll have no problem.&nbsp; I do it all the
time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As far as the datum transformation list...
that's a good question. I always wondered that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Hughes, Ronald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
10:32 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Actually, you need to use ArcToolbox to reproject the
shapefile.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>All the steps mention
below do is re-define the projection file.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>It would be analogous to assigning a new mailing address to you home
without physically moving it from its current location.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>In other words, if your house sits at <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">800 Main Street</st1:address></st1:Street> and
you change the address to <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">21 Jump
  Street</st1:address></st1:Street>, the house still remains at <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">800 Main Street</st1:address></st1:Street>.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>The Present version of ArcToolbox that I have (ArcGIS 9.1) is
different from that what I&#8217;d previously had but it appears to work the
same way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Open up ArcToolbox and select Data Management Tools </span></font><font
size=2 color=maroon face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Helvetica;mso-hansi-font-family:Helvetica;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:
Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>&agrave;</span></span></font><font
size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon'> Projections and
Transformations </span></font><font size=2 color=maroon face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Helvetica;
mso-hansi-font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon;
mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:
symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>&agrave;</span></span></font><font
size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon'> Project. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Click on Project and a menu should come up that asks for your
imput feature and output (in ArcGIS 9.1 it automatically assigns a &#8216;P&#8217;
at the end of the name of the input and places it in the output.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Select the projection that you want for
the output by clicking on the button to the right of the input window.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>That will bring up a menu called
&#8220;Spatial Reference Properties&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>1.) Click the button labeled &#8220;Select&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>2.) Click the Geographic Coordinate Systems folder<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>3.) Click the <st1:place w:st="on">North America</st1:place>
folder and select the coordinate system that you want (probably North American
1983 HARN.prj).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>4.) Click the &#8220;Add&#8221; button and select
&#8220;OK&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>If you have any other questions just ask.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'>Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Thomas, Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
9:34 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tdarsey@hsa.cc;
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>1. Define your shapefile's spatial
reference in ArcCatalog</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>2. Load the shapefile into ArcMap</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>3. Change the data frame spatial reference
to Lat/Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>4. Export the new shapefile using the data
frame's spatial reference (during export)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>5. That's it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony Darsey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 22, 2005
9:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> shrug-l: Lat-Long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Can anyone tell me how to convert a shape file from State
Plane to Lat/Long?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Thanks,</span></font></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Tony Darsey</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>HSA Consulting Group, Inc.</span></b> <br>
<st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>1311
  Executive Center Drive, Suite 255</span></b></st1:Street> <br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Tallahassee</span></b></st1:City><b><span
 style='font-weight:bold'>, <st1:State w:st="on">FL</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
 w:st="on">32301</st1:PostalCode></span></b></st1:address> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Phone (850) 309-7510</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Fax&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (850) 309-7510</span></b>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cell&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (850) 508-6477</span></b>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>email&nbsp;&nbsp; tdarsey@hsa.cc</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p>

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