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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=379433313-11042007>Would you please drop it,
already?</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wolfe,
Heather<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:21 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Cynthia
Brown; Jason Houck; lance.peterson@dot.state.fl.us;
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Cc:</B> Tripp Corbin<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
shrug-l: once in a while<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=362300413-11042007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If they have GIS Courses, then they should advertise those
when they have them. I think that the example of Tripp Corbin is a great one.
Tripp DOES contribute regularly to the listserv- in fact, he has helped me
personally more than once. Tripp<SPAN class=190471913-11042007> (in my
opinion)</SPAN> is a real SHRUGgie and in my opinion has earned the
unofficial "right" to post his classes, because we can all see that he knows
what he is talking about. (not to mention being a GISP and I think an ESRI
certified instructor - Tripp, is that correct?) I have never seen anyone
from Computer Tutors contribute to a GIS discussion on SHRUG. That doesn't mean
that Computer Tutors doesn't know their GIS, it just means that either A) they
submit ads to SHRUG and don't actually read the postings, B) they read the
postings and don't know how to help (and if that is true, why take their "ArcGIS
type" classes?) or 3) they read the postings and know how to help but are
not community minded enough to do so. I don't like any of these choices, because
we all know that helping each other within reason is a core value of our
discipline- that is why SHRUG exists in the first place. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Heather Wolfe<BR>Sr. GIS
Analyst, Planning & Development<BR>Seminole County Government<BR>1101 E.
First St.<BR>Sanford, FL 32771<BR><BR>Office 407-665-7378<BR>Fax
407-665-7412<BR>HWolfe@seminolecountyfl.gov<BR>www.seminolecountyfl.gov<BR></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Cynthia Brown
[mailto:cynmoon@earthlink.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Jason Houck'; lance.peterson@dot.state.fl.us;
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> shrug-l: once in a
while<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You kno, once in a
while, they do have “ArcGIS” type course(s) <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[not defending them or
“taking their side”, just stating a fact] <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jason Houck<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:41
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
lance.peterson@dot.state.fl.us; shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [SPAM] RE: shrug-l: RE: SHRUG-L
Digest, Vol 18, Issue 10</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with you,
Lance. Flame on!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>lance.peterson@dot.state.fl.us<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: shrug-l: RE: SHRUG-L Digest,
Vol 18, Issue 10</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I agree that GIS
classes should be posted. In fact, I believe that most of the GIS courses posted
to the group are from true SHRUGgers that contribute regularly to the group.
Tripp Corbin from Keck & Wood is a example of a real SHRUG member that also
happens to teach GIS courses. </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Computer Tutors is
just using the group for advertising, and off-topic advertising at
that.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">That's why I suggest the old
fashioned newsgroup revenge on off-topic postings - flame them.</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>Lance
Peterson<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">"Wolfe, Heather"
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">RE: shrug-l: RE:
SHRUG-L Digest, Vol 18, Issue
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><TT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Well hold on a bit.
If they were advertising courses that would count</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">towards GISP certification or continuing education for the
GISP</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">certification, I, for one,
would welcome them. It's just that we don't want</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">to see the list server filled up with a bunch of non-GIS
related courses that</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">most of us
could teach anyway.</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">--
John</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">-----Original
Message-----</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">From:
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of
Wolfe, Heather</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">Sent: Tuesday, April
10, 2007 3:15 PM</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">To:
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">Subject: shrug-l: RE: SHRUG-L Digest, Vol 18, Issue
10</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">I agree! SHRUG should not be
free advertising. Can't the SHRUG listserv admin</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">block them?</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">Heather Wolfe</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face="Courier New">Sr.
GIS Analyst, Planning & Development</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">Seminole <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE
w:st="on">County</ST1:PLACETYPE> <ST1:PLACENAME
w:st="on">Government</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE></FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">1101 E. <ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">First
St</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET>.</FONT></TT><BR><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY
w:st="on"><TT><FONT face="Courier New">Sanford</FONT></TT></ST1:CITY><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">FL</ST1:STATE> <ST1:POSTALCODE
w:st="on">32771</ST1:POSTALCODE></FONT></TT></ST1:PLACE><BR><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">Office 407-665-7378</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">Fax 407-665-7412</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">HWolfe@seminolecountyfl.gov</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">www.seminolecountyfl.gov</FONT></TT><BR><BR><BR><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">-----Original Message-----</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">From:
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
face="Courier New">[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf
Of</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
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shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier New">-****Florida has a very
broad Public Records Law. Virtually all written communications to or from State
and Local Officials and employees are public records available to the public and
media upon request. Seminole County policy does not differentiate between
personal and business emails. E-mail sent on the County system will be
considered public and will only be withheld from disclosure if deemed
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier New">-****Florida has a very
broad Public Records Law. Virtually all written communications to or from State
and Local Officials and employees are public records available to the public and
media upon request. Seminole County policy does not differentiate between
personal and business emails. E-mail sent on the County system will be
considered public and will only be withheld from disclosure if deemed
confidential pursuant to State Law.****-<BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>