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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=912541413-23072007><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff>Within the past year, I have attended the ESRI San Diego
conference, the SERUG conference and, of course, the last two SHRUG
conferences. Of the three, the SHRUG meeting has consistently been the
best. I think the mix of Florida; State, County and Local ArcGIS users
creates the best environment for the exchange of useful
information.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=912541413-23072007><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff>Don't get me started on surveyors, I've gone through four
companies before getting the workproduct I needed on one site alone (50 - 160+
ft errors should not occur in a sealed survey). You've probably seen my
latest postings here about a survey problem, but I have to balance that with
"map-accuracy", widely used GIS layers that I know are off by 50 - 100 ft or
more as well. Part of the problem is that neither "map-accuracy" nor 1
part in 10,000 "survey accuracy" are acceptable in today's precision GIS
environment (1 part in 1,000,000 is more like it!).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=912541413-23072007><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff>Anyway, my recommendation is not to mess with the SHRUG
conference, it is one of the best around and the price is right. It will
likely be the only meeting I will get to attend this fiscal year because of the
State's travel & conference cut-backs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face="Brush Script MT" size=6>--
John</FONT></SPAN></B><SPAN lang=en-us></SPAN> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wolfe,
Heather<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 23, 2007 8:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Mayo,
Michele L.; shrug-L@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: shrug-l: Heads
Up<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=652222512-23072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not in the Seven Hills area, but wanted to submit a
thought to the rest of you. I have always thought that one of the
major sources of disagreement between surveyors and GIS professionals is
that they did not understand each other's roles. My personal opinion (I am sure
some of you feel differently) is that if I can trust a surveyor to collect field
data for me, if he can do it more accurately than me, and if it is not
prohibitively priced for my organization, let him (or her) go to it! My
job is not threatened by this as the majority of what I do is analyzing
data that has already been collected. I fly a desk, not a Trimble. Neither does
my existence as a GIS professional not under the direct supervision of a
surveyor threaten the surveyor's job. Many times I have questioned about
the validity of putting a GPS in the hands of a field tech instead of a surveyor
simply because it's cheaper. Most of the non-surveyor GPS work that I have seen
in different organizations has been done that way- by field techs, not by
expensive GIS professionals.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=652222512-23072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The second observation is that many GIS professionals I
know don't attend FLURISA because it's "mostly for surveyors" (quote from
another GIS professional I know). Most of us have to choose which conference to
go to. Which should we spend our education allotment on- SHRUG,
SERUG, FLURISA or the San Diego ESRI conference? Usually both SHRUG
and FLURISA lose this contest. This is a shame because there seems to be a
widening breach between GIS professionals and surveyors, two groups who
could cause incredible change to our world for the better if only we can get
along. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=652222512-23072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>In view of that, I think that it would be very beneficial
for the two groups to have a joint conference. More dialogue usually equals more
understanding and eventually cooperation. This seems like a great
opportunity to help along the relationship between our two groups. Will it make
SHRUG bigger? Maybe. Is that bad? Sometimes. But there are many issues in
Florida where the participation of more people would be beneficial to all
(standardized shapefiles, to name just one). I think that in this
situation the greater good outweighs the lesser evil. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=652222512-23072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for listening to my soapbox
speech!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Heather Wolfe<BR>Sr. GIS
Analyst, Planning & Development<BR>Seminole County Government<BR>1101 E.
First St.<BR>Sanford, FL 32771<BR><BR>Office 407-665-7378<BR>Fax
407-665-7412<BR>HWolfe@seminolecountyfl.gov<BR>www.seminolecountyfl.gov<BR></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Mayo, Michele L.
[mailto:Michele.Mayo@dep.state.fl.us] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 20, 2007
5:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> shrug-L@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> shrug-l:
Heads Up<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Hello List,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">A proposal was introduced in Thursday's
SHRUG quarterly meeting to investigate a merger of our annual conference with
that of FLURISA, known as the Joint Mapping
Conference.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Lee
Hartsfield</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PERSONNAME><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">, current SHRUG president, announced that he had recently
been elected president of FLURISA. Lee now serves as president for both
organizations. After giving a very general outline of his proposal to
discuss combining the two conferences, Lee asked the small gathering to vote for
or against further discussions with FLURISA, saying that, according to SHRUG
by-laws, there were enough people present to take a vote on the matter.
Although several of us expressed reservations, Lee did take a vote and his
motion was carried.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">This is not a trivial decision. In my
opinion, any proposal that could fundamentally change the character of our
organization should be put to the SHRUG membership at large before any
negotiations are conducted with outside parties. The grass-roots character
of SHRUG has kept our organization strong, solvent, vibrant and valuable for
eight years. We could lose that if we fail to keep the membership informed
and involved in plotting our future course.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">If this proposed action concerns you,
please let your SHRUG officers know. Their contact information can be
found here:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Michele
Mayo</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">, GISP</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:STATE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT face=Tahoma
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Florida</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE><FONT
color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"> DEP, Beaches and
Coastal Systems</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Coastal Data Acquisition
Section</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on"><FONT
face=Tahoma color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">3900
Commonwealth Blvd.</SPAN></FONT></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><FONT color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"> MS 300</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=blue size=2><SPAN
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color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">, <ST1:STATE
w:st="on">FL</ST1:STATE> <ST1:POSTALCODE
w:st="on">32399-3000</ST1:POSTALCODE></SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE><FONT
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href="mailto:michele.mayo@dep.state.fl.us"><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">michele.mayo@dep.state.fl.us</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN><FONT
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href="http://www.floridadep.org/beaches/programs/cda.htm"><FONT size=2><SPAN
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and Local Officials and employees are public records available to the public and
media upon request. Seminole County policy does not differentiate between
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and Local Officials and employees are public records available to the public and
media upon request. Seminole County policy does not differentiate between
personal and business emails. E-mail sent on the County system will be
considered public and will only be withheld from disclosure if deemed
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