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size=2>Well, THAT is not encouraging!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tripp
Corbin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tim
Spivey; shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: shrug-l:
Exporting ArcMap document for use in Adobe<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=838105418-25072007><FONT face=Arial>Labels and/or annotation
are the most time consuming part of any map. I agree. That seems to be true no
matter what software you use. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align=left>Tripp Corbin, MCP,
CFM, GISP</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align=left>Associate Vice
President, GIS/Mapping</P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim
Spivey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: shrug-l: Exporting
ArcMap document for use in Adobe<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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class=585362718-25072007>At the risk of preaching to the choir here, with
some knowledge of VB scripting in ArcMap/Editor/Info, you can get a bit more
creative with label placement - but I don't claim to have that knowledge,
only access to the online ESRI user forum and folks who know some of the
solutions. For example, you can force labels into two lines of text rather
than just one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=585362718-25072007>Dunno about you, but I seem to spend half my map
production time hand-placing labels.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=585362718-25072007>Tim</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=585362718-25072007>Tift County GA</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kyle
Schaper<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: shrug-l: Exporting
ArcMap document for use in Adobe<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Nonie -<BR><BR>I feel your pain. How absolutely ridiculous
is it that you cannot move labels at all until you convert to annotation...
Correct me if I am wrong, but once converted, labels are no longer
referencing an attribute table, which from time to time gets updated,
especially when the labels are acre calcs for example. This means you
have to delete them all and start over, hand placing them one by one again
when in reality you may only need to move a few or only a few were
updated. Your only solution from ESRI is to purchase another
extension- maplex, or drop thousands for ArcInfo. What a great way to
appease the customer. <BR><BR>Aside from the rant, I am with Casey in that
we export to PDF and open that up in Illustrator. This is a terrible
workflow that forces most work done to have to be re-done if map scale is
changed or new layers are added, which is why we only take that route
sparingly. Most of the time we put up with the mediocre at best
graphic abilities that Arc has. (What a pitiful lack of transparency
handling --- c'mon!) <BR><BR>I have not heard of/tried of Avenza --- thanks
for the tip!<BR><BR>Kyle Schaper<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>