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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font face=Tahoma size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Hall, Melissa<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:01
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: shrug-l: ArcGIS
Alternative</span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>I used MapInfo a few years back when I started with Food
Lion. It did not have the same analytical abilities then, but I
haven’t kept up on it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'> We did end up switching to ESRI. In the end
the costs were close, but the deciding factor was infrastructure. As
others have said, people learn ESRI and it what most people know in the <st1:country><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country> and all the
local universities have ESRI based GIS programs. I am not sure how you
capture that cost, but it was compelling when I was working with another
system. It took me 6 months to learn and hiring anyone else was hard
because they would be losing a skill set.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'> The other big concern from management was that we
were going to end up with a program that would be very hard to support long
term. While it is great job security to work on a non-mainstream GIS most
of the options you have to increase the force on a project, like consultants
and contract/temp workers go away. It makes your current staff a absolute
bottleneck</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'> The commercial options are pretty bad, if you need a
real alternative I would look to open source. Some of the disadvantages
of alternative commercial software are offset by people who believe in the FOSS
culture.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'> Of the FOSS options GRASS is the oldest and best
developed, I can’t remember which program it is, but I think there is one
university that teaches it. I like FMaps and it is coming along, but it
probably will not have the functionality you need if you have ArcInfo type
analysis needs, making GRASS the only possible option I am aware of.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>The automation tools will just not be the same, FOSS
systems tend to do customization through programming, so if you do have C
programming in house be sure to include that in the budget because it is not
really going to be an option if you do make the switch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>I don’t know how much of an issue it is for your
organization, but if you also need web, GRASS is probably not going to cut it
by itself. It can handle a WMS import, but my limited understanding is
that it often chokes on REST services and other formats. That might mean
you find yourself cut off from major data sources and that any possible savings
in software costs get eaten up by data acquisition costs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Melissa
Hall<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>GIS Tech<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Florida</span></font></st1:place></st1:State><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> Division of Emergancy Management<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:Melissa.Hall@EM.MyFlorida.com"><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'>Melissa.Hall@EM.MyFlorida.com</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>(850)
413-9905<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color=black face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><a href="http://www.floridadisaster.org/index.asp"><font color=black><span style='color:black'>www.floridadisaster.org</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font color="#1f497d" face=Arial size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font face=Tahoma size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Sandell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 04, 2011 6:23
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> shrug-l: ArcGIS
Alternative<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hey
Shruggers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My
purchasing department is making me do a cost benefit analysis of paying our
annual maintenance to ESRI versus abandoning ESRI in favor of some other GIS
software, if there is such as thing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Are
there any comparable GIS suites out there that have the same, or greater,
functionality as Desktop and Server 10?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And
what is there cost to replace, and implement, 2 ArcInfo concurrent use
licenses, 1 ArcGIS Server Std Enterprise license and 1 EDN license?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Silly
exercise, but one I have to do nonetheless.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font face=Calibri size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold'>Keith
Sandell, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color=gray face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-variant:small-caps;
color:gray'>GIS Manager, Corporate Analytics<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color=gray face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-variant:small-caps;
color:gray'>Citizens Property Insurance Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><font color=gray face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman";font-variant:small-caps;color:gray'>2101 Maryland Circle</span></font></st1:Street><font color=gray face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";font-variant:small-caps;color:gray'>, <st1:City w:st="on">Tallahassee</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Florida</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">32303</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:address><font color=gray face="Times New Roman" size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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