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What about OpenStreetMap? Personally, I think its a great compliment
to local government GIS. When I edit OpenStreetMap in different
parts of FL, I always refer to local govmt GIS data. The tide could
turn pretty quickly against Google Maps if more local govmt GIS
folks started contributing to OpenStreetMap. <br>
<br>
Brian May<br>
MapWise Inc.<br>
<br>
On 2/1/2012 2:24 PM, Jim Robeson wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jacob makes an
excellent point. I hear of a lot of pressure for groups and
individuals who want to replace GIS with Google. They just
don’t know that they are going to receive in turn for their
cost savings. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Jim
Robeson<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">James M.
Robeson<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D">Mapping/GIS Sales,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jacob Coble<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bendis, Joe; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Jim@gpserv.com">Jim@gpserv.com</a>; SHRUG; Sandell,
Keith<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: shrug-l: New under water ships down
under<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Seriously, maybe whenever
anyone runs across something this bad in Google, they
should share it with this group. We could have a few
examples to use whenever a bean counter says, "We don't
need GIS, Google is good enough." Can you imagine several
more examples like the one Joe sent? An accurate GIS map
made with good local data vs. a flawed Google map of the
same area. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Maybe this could be a
S.H.R.U.G. poster contest - each poster would feature a
quality GIS map on one half and an inaccurate Google map
of the same area on the other half. What if we had several
such posters, the PDF files could be shared. Anytime
people needed to describe to the powers that be the value
of their GIS program, they could print these posters and
show them (even if the poster is not of their locality -
the point is to show that Google is not sufficient for
many uses). And it is not only imagery problems - we all
have seen problems in the Google streets vs. local data. A
picture is worth a thousand words.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""><img id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part3.02060107.08010809@mapwise.com"
height="123" border="0" width="124"><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Jacob Coble, GISP</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">GIS Specialist II<br>
Tallahassee-Leon County GIS<br>
Leon County Courthouse, Level P-3<br>
301 S. Monroe St.<br>
Tallahassee, FL 32301<br>
PH (850) 606-5504<br>
FAX (850) 606-5501<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:coblej@leoncountyfl.gov">coblej@leoncountyfl.gov</a> <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tlcgis.org">www.tlcgis.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">>>> "Joe Bendis"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbendis@sgrc.us"><jbendis@sgrc.us></a> 2/1/2012 1:14 PM >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">An NEVER try to
navigate “Local” waters either Jim (Lanark Village) just
south of Tallahassee, FL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The island
locally know as Bird Island or Lanark Reef is almost
completely missing from Google <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><img
id="_x0000_i1026"
src="cid:part4.05040109.07030508@mapwise.com"
alt="GoogleEarth_Image.jpg" height="441" border="0"
width="672"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Same area with
Bing from a GIS project Basemap<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><img
id="_x0000_i1027"
src="cid:part5.05070100.08010000@mapwise.com"
alt="lanarkreef.jpg" height="516" border="0" width="626"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800">Joseph E.
Bendis</span></i><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#4D6800"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800">VALOR GIS
Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800">Southern
Georgia <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800">Regional
Commission<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800">327 W.
Savannah Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800"
lang="PT-BR">Valdosta, GA 31601<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800"
lang="PT-BR">229-333-5277 x143<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4D6800"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jbendis@sgrdc.com"><span
style="color:#4D6800" lang="PT-BR">jbendis@sgrc.us</span></a></span></i><i><span
style="color:#4D6800" lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Keith Sandell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Jim@gpserv.com">Jim@gpserv.com</a>; SHRUG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: shrug-l: New under water ships down
under<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Have they sued
Google yet for sinking their ships? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Because as we
all know Google is always “right” and that’s why we don’t
need GIS people. (you can’t hear the extreme sarcasm in my
voice, but it’s there trust me)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Reminds me of a
time when a Google sales person was pitching some of their
products to me and repeatedly told me that with “our”
products you don’t need GIS people, yea sign me up for that…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good example to
keep around the next time management or politicians say,
“Why do we need you, we have Google!”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">They just might
sink you ship!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for
sharing Jim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Keith
Sandell, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";font-variant:small-caps;color:gray">GIS
Manager, Corporate Analytics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";font-variant:small-caps;color:gray">Citizens
Property Insurance Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="line-height:5.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:gray">-------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:gray">ofc.
850.521.8341 | cell 850.727.2897</span><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jim Robeson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'SHRUG'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> shrug-l: New under water ships down
under<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting things afoot in Sydney harbor.
The Australians have new submergible ships. That is how
it appears in Google Earth. Nice job guys!!! Thought The GIS
community might find this humorous. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part6.07070306.00060204@mapwise.com" height="694"
border="0" width="757"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">R</span><span
style="color:black">egards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Jim Robeson<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>James M. Robeson<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt">Mapping/GIS
Sales, Trimble Certified Trainer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> </span><a
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href="http://surveyingandmappingpros.com/"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><img
id="_x0000_i1029"
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alt="Description: Oval_color_1_small" height="90"
border="0" width="150"></span></a><span
style="font-size:8.0pt"> </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Geo 6000 check me out!</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.trimble.com/mappingGIS/webinars.aspx"><span
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