Here is another example of why GIS should not be replaced with only Google services: <a href="http://g.co/maps/yfhun">http://g.co/maps/yfhun</a><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_13568128dec9f75e" alt="gulftobay.jpg" title="gulftobay.jpg"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:24 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shrug-l-request@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l-request@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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1. RE: New under water ships down under (Jim Robeson)<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:24:20 -0500<br>Subject: RE: shrug-l: New under water ships down under<br><u></u><u></u><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:3.0pt;margin-right:3.0pt;margin-bottom:.75pt">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Jacob makes an excellent point. I hear of a lot of pressure for groups and individuals who want to replace GIS with Google. They just don’t know that they are going to receive in turn for their cost savings. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">R</span><span style>egards,</span><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Jim Robeson<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1f497d">James M. Robeson<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Coble<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bendis, Joe; <a href="mailto:Jim@gpserv.com" target="_blank">Jim@gpserv.com</a>; SHRUG; Sandell, Keith<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: shrug-l: New under water ships down under<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">Seriously, maybe whenever anyone runs across something this bad in Google, they should share it with this group. We could have a few examples to use whenever a bean counter says, "We don't need GIS, Google is good enough." Can you imagine several more examples like the one Joe sent? An accurate GIS map made with good local data vs. a flawed Google map of the same area. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">Maybe this could be a S.H.R.U.G. poster contest - each poster would feature a quality GIS map on one half and an inaccurate Google map of the same area on the other half. What if we had several such posters, the PDF files could be shared. Anytime people needed to describe to the powers that be the value of their GIS program, they could print these posters and show them (even if the poster is not of their locality - the point is to show that Google is not sufficient for many uses). And it is not only imagery problems - we all have seen problems in the Google streets vs. local data. A picture is worth a thousand words.<br>
<br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif""><img border="0" width="124" height="123" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CCE0ED.28347820"><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">Jacob Coble, GISP</span></strong><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">GIS Specialist II<br>
Tallahassee-Leon County GIS<br>Leon County Courthouse, Level P-3<br>301 S. Monroe St.<br>Tallahassee, FL 32301<br>PH <a href="tel:%28850%29%20606-5504" value="+18506065504" target="_blank">(850) 606-5504</a><br>FAX <a href="tel:%28850%29%20606-5501" value="+18506065501" target="_blank">(850) 606-5501</a><br>
<a href="mailto:coblej@leoncountyfl.gov" target="_blank">coblej@leoncountyfl.gov</a> <br><a href="http://www.tlcgis.org" target="_blank">www.tlcgis.org</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">>>> "Joe Bendis" <<a href="mailto:jbendis@sgrc.us" target="_blank">jbendis@sgrc.us</a>> 2/1/2012 1:14 PM >>><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">An NEVER try to navigate “Local” waters either Jim (Lanark Village) just south of Tallahassee, FL.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">The island locally know as Bird Island or Lanark Reef is almost completely missing from Google <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><img border="0" width="672" height="441" src="cid:image005.jpg@01CCE0ED.28347820" alt="GoogleEarth_Image.jpg"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Same area with Bing from a GIS project Basemap<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><img border="0" width="626" height="516" src="cid:image006.jpg@01CCE0ED.28347820" alt="lanarkreef.jpg"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4d6800">Joseph E. Bendis</span></i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#4d6800"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4d6800">VALOR GIS Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="PT-BR" style="color:#4d6800">Valdosta, GA 31601<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="PT-BR" style="color:#4d6800"><a href="tel:229-333-5277%20x143" value="+12293335277" target="_blank">229-333-5277 x143</a><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#4d6800"><a href="mailto:jbendis@sgrdc.com" target="_blank"><span lang="PT-BR" style="color:#4d6800">jbendis@sgrc.us</span></a></span></i><i><span lang="PT-BR" style="color:#4d6800"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR" style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Sandell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Jim@gpserv.com" target="_blank">Jim@gpserv.com</a>; SHRUG<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: shrug-l: New under water ships down under<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Have they sued Google yet for sinking their ships? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Because as we all know Google is always “right” and that’s why we don’t need GIS people. (you can’t hear the extreme sarcasm in my voice, but it’s there trust me)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Reminds me of a time when a Google sales person was pitching some of their products to me and repeatedly told me that with “our” products you don’t need GIS people, yea sign me up for that…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Good example to keep around the next time management or politicians say, “Why do we need you, we have Google!”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">They just might sink you ship!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks for sharing Jim.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Keith Sandell, MBA<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'SHRUG'<br><b>Subject:</b> shrug-l: New under water ships down under<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
Interesting things afoot in Sydney harbor. The Australians have new submergible ships. That is how it appears in Google Earth. Nice job guys!!! Thought The GIS community might find this humorous. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">R</span><span style>egards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<i>Jim Robeson<u></u><u></u></i></p>
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