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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Holli<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>First thing I would do is delete any PRJ or World file associated with the DGN and then just add it as a layer to a new blank map. Then see where it does come in. Check the coordinates. If they are around 5,000 5,000 or 10,000 10,000, then the DGN is in an assumed or local coordinate system and not a real world system. This still means you will need to figure out a way to georeference it but at least you know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If it is has coordinates that are something else, then it becomes an exercise in trial and error. You just have to keep trying different coordinate systems and datums until you find one that works. Keep in mind you will most likely never find one that give a perfect fit but you should be able to come close. My experience has shown me to start with a different datum than the one they say it is in. If they say it is in NAD 83 try NAD 27 or NAD 83 HARN or NAD 83 CORS 96 and so on. Also watch the scale of the DGN compared to data in a known and verified coordinate system. If the scale is off this means the units are different. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Lastly, you could go to the field and locate a couple of points found in the DGN with GPS and use those as control to georeference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wish I had a better answer but you have stumbled onto one of the common problems. I run into this all the time when working with data from others. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Tripp Corbin, MCP, CFM, GISP</span></i></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>| Chief Executive Officer</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#244061'><a href="http://www.egisassociates.com/"><span style='color:#244061;text-decoration:none'>eGIS Associates, Inc.</span></a></span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:tcorbin@egisassociates.com">tcorbin@egisassociates.com</a> | <a href="www.egisassociates.com">www.egisassociates.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>678-710-9710 ext 21 | 866-</span><span lang=EN style='color:#244061'>304-3864 Fax</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Esri Certified Trainer | Esri Certified Desktop Associate</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandt, Holli<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br><b>Subject:</b> shrug-l: .DGN file not lining up<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello SHRUGgers –<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I received a microstation file(.dgn) from a consultant that was supposed to be in State Plane East but when I add it into an existing ArcMap project (where all data is in State Plane) it ends up nowhere near our layers. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I tried these two methods several times with no success :<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“Transform CAD data in ArcMap to line up with other data” <a href="http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/29039">http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/29039</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“Define the projection for CAD data for use in ArcMap“ <a href="http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/29035">http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/29035</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Even tried georefencing the .dgn file but unfortunately do not have enough above ground feature to match it up exactly. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I contacted the consultant but they are no longer working on the project and there isn’t any additional funds to pay them, so I am out of luck there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Can anyone out there offer any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks – Holli <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Berlin Sans FB","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>Holli M. 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