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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Otto (You know, Otto Pilot).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:#1F497D'>-- John</span></b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Katherine Milla<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2013 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> Sykes, John; Jim@gpserv.com; 'Amy Knight'; shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: shrug-l: Google earth accuracy estimate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I want to know who was flying plane?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:John.Sykes@dep.state.fl.us" title="John.Sykes@dep.state.fl.us">Sykes, John</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Friday, March 08, 2013 9:47 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:Jim@gpserv.com" title="Jim@gpserv.com">mailto:Jim@gpserv.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:aknight@fnai.org" title="aknight@fnai.org">'Amy Knight'</a> ; <a href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us" title="shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> RE: shrug-l: Google earth accuracy estimate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Agreed, that is why I took 10 to 20 readings over a several day period and averaged them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The Garmin is an aviation hand-held version, but an old one. I got it when they first became available for aircraft. I had it with me on a trip from Philly to Florida (via Atlanta) in the early 1990’ (pre-9-11 days). It was on a MD88 equipped with R-NAV and maybe INS (but probably not). The Flight Attendant apparently told the captain that the passenger in row whatever had a strange type of radio with him. The captain came back to my row and sat down next to me. I asked him if he knew exactly where we were and how fast we were moving (because of summer thunderstorms we were a lot further west than planned). He looked at the display on the Garmin and said, “Probably not as accurately as you do.” A few minutes later, he sent the First Officer back to “get a load of this”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:#1F497D'>-- John</span></b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Jim Robeson [<a href="mailto:jim@gpserv.com">mailto:jim@gpserv.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2013 9:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Sykes, John; 'Amy Knight'; <a href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: shrug-l: Google earth accuracy estimate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Gamins and Tom Tom for vehicles have a good bit of modeling in their display when using on a street map product; snap to the line. 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But in my experience they are relatively minor, because Florida is FLAT! In my experience elevation differences cause many if not most of the errors. The major problems I see involve plotting addresses, where things may be off by half a block. If you find the particular building and plot it, it usually is accurate to about 10 meters or better. Part of the error comes from the aerials used and how well they were georeferenced. Since most aerials for the State are now being flown with a digital linear scanner, they are much less prone to these errors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I just checked my own home, where I have a very visible location on my back deck that I have used to check several GPS’s for accuracy. Pulling the Google Earth lat/long quickly (they have a brand-new aerial, shot only a few months ago) and comparing it to the GPS average was within 1 meter. T’ain’t too shabby! Probably 1 ft of that error is my shaky hand on the trackball. Oh, by the way, they weren’t survey-grade GPS’s either; 1 Garmin, 1 DeLorme and my roommate’s TomTom. But I took several readings on different days and averaged them out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:#1F497D'>-- John</span></b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Please take a few minutes to share your comments on the service you received from the department by clicking on this link <a href="http://survey.dep.state.fl.us/?refemail=John.Sykes@dep.state.fl.us" target="_blank">DEP Customer Survey</a>.</span></em><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a> [<a href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Knight<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> shrug-l: Google earth accuracy estimate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi- A year or so there was SHRUG exchange of ‘bad’ google earth examples. Does anyone know of an accuracy estimate for Florida? We receive point location data from many different sources but more and more data are coming in with Google Earth as the source of the location (lat/long). We need to be able to say what locational uncertainty those data have. How ‘off’ could a point be, plotted on Google Earth vs. Florida aerial ortho imagery? Thanks for any information-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Amy <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Amy Knight</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>GIS Program Specialist</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Florida Natural Areas Inventory</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Florida State University</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1018 Thomasville Rd, Suite 200-C</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tallahassee, FL 32303</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ph. 850-224-8207 x214</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.fnai.org">www.fnai.org</a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:green'>Science for Conservation</span></i></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>SHRUG-L mailing list<br><a href="mailto:SHRUG-L@lists.dep.state.fl.us">SHRUG-L@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br><a href="http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/mailman/listinfo/shrug-l">http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/mailman/listinfo/shrug-l</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>