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<p><span
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are no glaciers in upper New York State these days</span></p>
<p>Totally correct. 10,000 years ago (pretty current for such
things) all the ice melted in the Adirondacks, there are no
glaciers left in NYS. The current glaciers, melting at a rate of
600 feet per year, are in Peru
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/">http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/</a>).
Once you get significant water flow under a huge glacier there is
potential for ice movement. Adirondacks provides an excellent
"fairly current" example of what happens when big ice melts and
moves. <br>
</p>
<p>Of course after it all settles it's magnificent and pristine,
Adirondacks is well worth a trip if you ever are close (lots of
beautiful rivers, lakes, streams and trees). [Avoid May and June
due to black flies.]<br>
</p>
<p>Bill, you were not preaching. Loved hearing about Southern
Louisiana and the Mississippi....never knew! Being in the
financial services industry I remember back a few years when the
Mississippi flooding caused huge grain harvesting / transportation
back ups (60% of all US export grain departs from the Gulf of
Mexico). Grain dealers who had purchased grain forward (to be
received from farmers at harvest time) could not get delivery at
harvest, Meanwhile they had promised (sold forward) to provide
grain to bakers, etc. every week, smoothly, with NO interruptions.
Without the planned replenishments they quickly ran out of silo
inventory just before typical harvest times, and started to fail
to make contract physical deliveries. The Federal Reserve banks in
those areas were worried that multiple grain dealer failures
(typically locally owned and financed by local banks) might ignite
some unwelcome stress to the <i>general banking system</i> which
was also providing credit to the area farmers. The national rail
system backed up in that area scrambling to profit from the barges
being unusable. East / West rail shipments having nothing to do
with grain were delayed. <br>
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<p>Just shows that a little "climate change" can have a real ripple
effect into a financial system which is built with only the
thinnest "veneer" of safety, to maximize short term profits. Of
course the Mississippi floods were only a drop in the bucket
compared to anything the size of the Adirondacks melt. <br>
</p>
<p>As GPS moves to economical centimeter accuracy, and self driving
autos start to become popular, I guess you don't want to be going
too fast when you get an unexpected plate shift, and the on-board
GPS algorithms experience their first "taste of chaos." <br>
</p>
<p>Rick<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/2016 9:22 AM, Sykes, John
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I
think the glaciers he was referring to were some 10,000 to
100,000 years ago. There are no glaciers in upper New York
State these days, to the best of my knowledge (and I am a NE
native, north Jersey, to be specific). The land that was
covered by these glaciers during the ice age is, in fact,
still rebounding from the relief in pressure which causes
the occasional small earthquake in the PA, NY, NJ and CT
areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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̶</span><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
SHRUG-L [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Porter, Bill<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 17, 2016 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick Labs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rick@clbcm.com"><rick@clbcm.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: shrug-l: Australia & GPS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
didn’t realize any area of the CONUS has glaciers that
thick. Global climate change yielding glacial melting and
sea level rise is being measured and experienced by all
except right-wing politicians. That any adult today
believes humans can escape Scott-free (as it were) from the
cultural addition of greenhouse gases amazes me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One
of the weirdest and most apocalyptic land changes I’ve read
of (and heard about at Tab Benoit’s “Voice of the Wetlands”
Blues festival) is Southern Louisiana. The Mississippi was
channelized, so alluvial mud no longer renews the flood
plain and delta. Subsidence in the old alluvial soil
combined with the mesh of canals dug by the oil companies is
making Southern LA disappear. I’ve forgotten the
statistics, but Tab Benoit’s childhood home south of Houma,
LA is now in the Gulf under 30 feet of water miles offshore.
That happened in less than 30 years. The entire town is
gone Canals become bayous, bayous become open Gulf and the
salt marsh is vanishing.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
Gulf’s encroachment on LA is so fast the effects of global
warming and sea level rise are not factored in yet. The
barrier islands built over thousands of years are gone or
exist as vestigial tidal sand bars fast becoming Gulf
bottom.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Unlike
the Everglades it has not become a cause célèbre and
multi-billion dollar boondoggle. Relatively few know or
care about the disappearance of Southern Louisiana. It’s
people are poor, largely disenfranchised Cajuns and other
minorities. It’s effect on fisheries is already felt.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
guess I’m preaching.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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SHRUG-L [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Labs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: shrug-l: Australia & GPS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Was up in the Adirondacks with friends from Tallahassee these
past few days. Learned that the glaciers up there were up to
<b>2 miles thick.</b> Lots of erosion, massive forces, and
huge movements during the big melt.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I imagined every surveyor's pin on a separate "iceberg"
floating around... <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p>Plus, more movements to come with global warming melting
current glaciers (at 600 Feet / Year), including some
significant
<i>altitude changes</i> over time. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/15/2016 3:01 PM, Greg Mauldin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Mind the
Gap!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Greg
Mauldin, GISP<br>
GIS Project Manager<br>
Tallahassee-Leon County GIS<br>
Leon County Courthouse<br>
301 S Monroe St, Room P313-F<br>
Tallahassee, FL 32301<br>
850.606.5587<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:maulding@leoncountyfl.gov">maulding@leoncountyfl.gov</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">"People
Focused. Performance Driven"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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note that under Florida's Public Records laws, most
written communications to or from county staff or
officials regarding county business are public records
available to the public and media upon request. Your
e-mail communications may therefore be subject to
public disclosure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> "Porter, Bill" <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bporter@spartanburgcounty.org">
<bporter@spartanburgcounty.org></a> 8/15/2016 8:28
AM >>><br>
Darn those tectonic plates. It takes a lot of gall for a
planet to mess with its human inhabitants. It's almost as
if we are seen as transient residents in a longer-lived
system ...<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: SHRUG-L [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us">mailto:shrug-l-bounces@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a>]
On Behalf Of C. Henry Depew<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:10 PM<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us">shrug-l@lists.dep.state.fl.us</a><br>
Subject: shrug-l: Australia & GPS<br>
<br>
Greetings!<br>
Australia is moving along to the north at about 3
inches per year. In the last 20 years it has reportedly
move about 20 feet. All the GPS readings on the continent
are reportedly off a bit.<br>
<br>
C. Henry Depew<br>
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