[Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish (*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA) Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us
Thu Feb 4 11:15:28 EST 2010

Great string! I just wanted to note again that 70% of the antibiotics and growth hormones that are produced are fed to livestock.  That is a heck of a lot of waste that will never be treated, that runs off directly and is taken up by the crops we consume.  I don't disagree with the point Howard was making even if the math is wrong.  I do think that separate collection of HH pharms only gets at a certain percent of the environmental issue.  However, it has a value beyond reducing what is flushed.  It raises awareness to get that stuff out of the house thereby reducing the potential for abuse or accidental overdose, and the data generated has/will really open some eyes on how much and what is routinely wasted.  I do wish we had the $$ for better waste water treatment, but we don't.  We do need prevention measures.  Any of you who have helped sort drugs at a collection event know the amount wasted is ridiculous.  Pharmacists in MN and our MN Pharmacy Association is very supportive and have willingly volunteered to staff our collection events to help sort. We also get help from pharmacy students which is great.  We can all contribute to reducing the problems from our own areas of expertise.  Keep up the good work all!

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us [pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Gilliam, Allen [GILLIAM at adeq.state.ar.us]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:47 AM
To: 'Howard Anderson'; 'Sue Dayton'; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish       (*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

No offense intended Howard, but this has to get a 5 "chuckles up" rating.

It's been stated on this listserve and reported in various studies, "nationwide, there's an overall 50% non-adherence rate".  Where'd you get your 1%?

Ripped a stitch on, "...teaching our sewage systems to render the chemicals benign."

Right on bro, if you meant to equate "teach" to acclimate.  I've not seen any specific studies, but it's quite probable most of our wastewater treatment plants' biomass (the bacterial engine active in converting human waste [organics] to its various inert elements/basic compounds/gases) have been "taught" thru their short little evolutionary periods to adapt and accept as food some pharmaceutical (and personal care) compounds and their metabolites.

The fact remains, they either don't have the time to "learn" and/or just can't use most(?) of the pharmaceutical compounds (inorganics?  Ain't gonna happen) as their food and good portion of un-metabolized and morphed pharmaceuticals are going to pass through to the receiving bodies of water.  Our babies are still going to be born naked.

Each town has its own individually flavored soup making a standardized chemical panacea impossible to design.

The use of pharmaceuticals is on an exponential increase and newer ones are being developed seemingly on a monthly basis.

Again, sorry if I came across as flippant, but the best researchers around the country are working on both source reduction and tertiary WWTP processes which will help remove more of pharmaceuticals (and personal care products) before they reach waters of the U.S.  As long as these two elements work in conjunction, solutions will be discovered and practiced slowly and surely across the nation.

Allen Gilliam
ADEQ State Pretreatment type guy

-----Original Message-----
From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Howard Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:55 PM
To: 'Sue Dayton'; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish (*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

Dear Pharmwaste List:

Remember that over  99% of these drugs come from excretions by those of us who take the drugs and excrete metabolites, or in many cases largely unchanged drug. We should concentrate our efforts on teaching our sewage systems to render the chemicals benign. Sometimes we spend a lot of time and money trying to solve 1 percent of the problem, when we should be better served solving the 99 percent. Then the extra 1 percent would come along, as a matter of course.



Howard C. Anderson, Jr.,R.Ph.
Executive Director
North Dakota Board of Pharmacy
1906 E. Broadway Ave.
P.O. Box 1354
Bismarck, ND  58502-1354
Phone (701) 328-9535
Fax (701) 328-9536
Web site www.nodakpharmacy.com

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Sue Dayton
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:22 PM
To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish (*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

The "generating source" for these hormone-disrupting chemicals found in rivers and streams is PEOPLE as part of the never-ending waste stream from homes, businesses, restaurants, hospitals, research labs, veterinary clinics, funeral homes, nursing homes, and industry which takes a brief stop at the local wastewater treatment plant before these unregulated and untested and unremoved hormone disrupting chemicals are discharged as effluent into surface waters and onto farmlands via sewage sludge (aka, biosolids) where the chemicals are found to concentrate. The problem may not just be affecting smallmouth bass, carp, catfish and sturgeon, but humans as well seen through research studies showing decreasing sperm counts in men. A video is also available for viewing at this link. Thoughts, anyone? -- Sue


COLUMBIA, Mo., Nov. 25, 2009
Chemicals in Water Alter Gender of Fish
Pollution Brings Worrying Signs for Fish Populations; Worse, Most U.S. Drinking Water Comes from the Same Sources

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