Fw: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders offish(*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac River

Melody LaBella MLABELLA at centralsan.dst.ca.us
Fri Feb 5 16:11:00 EST 2010

Michele, I like your out-of-the-box thinking, but (as my post yesterday alluded to) prescription drugs are not the only chemicals that come to wastewater treatment plants.
In addition to water, human waste and toilet paper, we also get traditional pollutants (mercury, copper, lead, etc.), OTC medications, pesticides, flame retardants, plasticizers, household cleaners, laundry and dishwasher detergents, a myriad of personal-care products (lotions, deodorants, soaps, shampoos, perfumes, etc.), nanoparticles, and many, many more.
In a nutshell, it is not possible to design a centralized wastewater treatment system to render all those contents benign.
Melody LaBella
Environmental Engineer/
Pollution Prevention Program Coordinator
Central Contra Costa Sanitary District
Martinez, CA

>>> Michele Wisniewski <mediservrx at yahoo.com> 2/5/2010 9:08:41 AM >>>

Hi guys,
Allen said "Each town has its own individually flavored soup making a standardized chemical panacea impossible to design."
That's correct and by the same token each town has it's own doctors and their favorite list of drugs.  All docs seem to have a group of "old standbys" that they prescribe regularly.  With the advent of E- Prescribe wouldn't it make sense to route drug information, not anything hippa related, through a state wastewater database so we can clean up "our indiviually flavored soup" more effectivley.  If the docs are prescribing primarily anti-arrythmics and estrogen with no anitbiotics, then we cut our cost by tailoring our clean up and we focus on what is needed not our 1 fix for all big budget excuse for state and locals not to clean up our soup.


Michele Wisniewski
Purchasing Agent
Mediserv Pharmacy

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Sue Dayton <sdayton at swcp.com>
To: "Gilliam, Allen" <GILLIAM at adeq.state.ar.us>; Howard Anderson <ndboph at btinet.net>; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 11:38:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish(*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

There are approx 84,000 chemicals in commercial use, 20% of these are
protected as trade secrets (some classified as extremely hazardous), and 700
new chemicals are introduced each year with little or no analysis of

Sue Dayton
Blue Ridge Environmental Defense League
North Carolina Healthy Communities Program
Saxapahaw, NC 27340
(336) 525-2003
sdayton at swcp.com

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
-  Martin Luther King Jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gilliam, Allen [mailto:GILLIAM at adeq.state.ar.us] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:48 AM
To: 'Howard Anderson'; 'Sue Dayton'; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of
fish(*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

No offense intended Howard, but this has to get a 5 "chuckles up" rating.

It's been stated on this listserve and reported in various studies,
"nationwide, there's an overall 50% non-adherence rate".  Where'd you get
your 1%?

Ripped a stitch on, "...teaching our sewage systems to render the chemicals

Right on bro, if you meant to equate "teach" to acclimate.  I've not seen
any specific studies, but it's quite probable most of our wastewater
treatment plants' biomass (the bacterial engine active in converting human
waste [organics] to its various inert elements/basic compounds/gases) have
been "taught" thru their short little evolutionary periods to adapt and
accept as food some pharmaceutical (and personal care) compounds and their

The fact remains, they either don't have the time to "learn" and/or just
can't use most(?) of the pharmaceutical compounds (inorganics?  Ain't gonna
happen) as their food and good portion of un-metabolized and morphed
pharmaceuticals are going to pass through to the receiving bodies of water.
Our babies are still going to be born naked.

Each town has its own individually flavored soup making a standardized
chemical panacea impossible to design.

The use of pharmaceuticals is on an exponential increase and newer ones are
being developed seemingly on a monthly basis.

Again, sorry if I came across as flippant, but the best researchers around
the country are working on both source reduction and tertiary WWTP processes
which will help remove more of pharmaceuticals (and personal care products)
before they reach waters of the U.S.  As long as these two elements work in
conjunction, solutions will be discovered and practiced slowly and surely
across the nation.

Allen Gilliam
ADEQ State Pretreatment type guy

-----Original Message-----
From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:55 PM
To: 'Sue Dayton'; pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish
(*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

Dear Pharmwaste List:

Remember that over  99% of these drugs come from excretions by those of us
who take the drugs and excrete metabolites, or in many cases largely
unchanged drug. We should concentrate our efforts on teaching our sewage
systems to render the chemicals benign. Sometimes we spend a lot of time and
money trying to solve 1 percent of the problem, when we should be better
served solving the 99 percent. Then the extra 1 percent would come along, as
a matter of course.



Howard C. Anderson, Jr.,R.Ph.
Executive Director
North Dakota Board of Pharmacy
1906 E. Broadway Ave.
P.O. Box 1354
Bismarck, ND  58502-1354
Phone (701) 328-9535
Fax (701) 328-9536
Web site www.nodakpharmacy.com

From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Sue Dayton
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:22 PM
To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: [Pharmwaste] FW: Chemicals in water altering genders of fish
(*LakePepin, Peedee and Potomac Rivers)

The "generating source" for these hormone-disrupting chemicals found in
rivers and streams is PEOPLE as part of the never-ending waste stream from
homes, businesses, restaurants, hospitals, research labs, veterinary
clinics, funeral homes, nursing homes, and industry which takes a brief stop
at the local wastewater treatment plant before these unregulated and
untested and unremoved hormone disrupting chemicals are discharged as
effluent into surface waters and onto farmlands via sewage sludge (aka,
biosolids) where the chemicals are found to concentrate. The problem may not
just be affecting smallmouth bass, carp, catfish and sturgeon, but humans as
well seen through research studies showing decreasing sperm counts in men. A
video is also available for viewing at this link. Thoughts, anyone? -- Sue


COLUMBIA, Mo., Nov. 25, 2009
Chemicals in Water Alter Gender of Fish
Pollution Brings Worrying Signs for Fish Populations; Worse, Most U.S.
Drinking Water Comes from the Same Sources

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