[Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits

Johnson, Sara sjohnson@des.state.nh.us
Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:59:49 -0500


There is no infrastructure in place, but there should be. This just my
wish.  Won't ever happen under current administration or anytime in the
future. Too much lobbying and $ being passed around.  Plenty of books on
the subject on how much the pharmaceutical industry pays lobbyists and
political campaigns, as well as how much money they make.

Again, never will happen, just a wish...
Sara




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To: Johnson, Sara
Cc: Galvin, Dave; pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us; David Stitzhal
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits


That's fine, Sara, but how do they get there?  Mail back?  Does the
industry have any plans to initiate/support/subsidize such an effort?

John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
Environmental Compliance Specialist
Occupational Safety
UC Davis Health System
916-734-7329
916-734-7309 (fax)


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No, we want take backs at the manufacturing level, not at the pharmacy.
Sara Johnson NH Pollution Prevention Program

-----Original Message-----
From: pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of John Danby
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:43 PM
To: Galvin, Dave
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us; David Stitzhal
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits


Good point on the HHW issues, Dave.  But our pharmacy folks blanch at
the thought of a take-back problem, from a variety of perspectives.
We'll just keep batting these issues around the listserv until the light
bulb comes on!

John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
Environmental Compliance Specialist
Occupational Safety
UC Davis Health System
916-734-7329
916-734-7309 (fax)




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I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit would replace one
hazard with another.  We are not interested in dealing with a soup of
unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution.  Hmmm, what
then to do with this container...


I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old meds to the
local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local
government.  Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product
stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their
place of origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid
mailers, or via some other system that does not put the burden for yet
another problematic wastestream onto local government and onto local
ratepayers to pay for.


It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive solution.


-- Dave Galvin
   Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA)


-----Original Message-----
From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM
To: David Stitzhal
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits


Some things to consider:


Do you really want to put containers of hazardous chemicals (that would
"neutralize" pharms) in the hands of the consumer?  Are you not trading
one

set of hazards for another?


What would the consumer do with the used container of chemicals/drugs?
Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal issue.  Very
unlikely that you would be left with a non-hazardous result.


A better way to handle this would be to encourage the collection of
excess consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste entity.


John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
Environmental Compliance Specialist
Occupational Safety
UC Davis Health System
916-734-7329
916-734-7309 (fax)






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Hi Lucy.


I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty chemicals" to
dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach that was discussed
among a pharmaceutical task force here in the Northwest for dealing with
commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you more details if
you want when I return. I am leaving town after today for two weeks and
am swamped with last minute details.


Cheers.


Stitzhal
--
David Stitzhal, MRP
President
Full Circle Environmental, Inc.
3111 37th Place South
Seattle, WA 98144
U.S.A.
206-723-0528 phone
206-723-2452 fax
stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com
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