[Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits

David Stitzhal stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com
Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:59:15 -0800


But its already happening with pilots in EPA Region 1, in Vancouver, 
WA, and a proposed pilot coming into being in the Seattle region. 
Pilots only, but its a start at getting the pharmacies involved, and 
ultimately they will pass costs onto the manufacturer and or the 
consumer -- which is better than the taxpayer.

I'm signing off of this discussion now to be gone for two weeks.

Thanks all.

Stitzhal


At 2:59 PM -0500 2/18/05, Johnson, Sara wrote:
>There is no infrastructure in place, but there should be. This just my
>wish.  Won't ever happen under current administration or anytime in the
>future. Too much lobbying and $ being passed around.  Plenty of books on
>the subject on how much the pharmaceutical industry pays lobbyists and
>political campaigns, as well as how much money they make.
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>Again, never will happen, just a wish...
>Sara
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu]
>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>To: Johnson, Sara
>Cc: Galvin, Dave; pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
>pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us; David Stitzhal
>Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits
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>That's fine, Sara, but how do they get there?  Mail back?  Does the
>industry have any plans to initiate/support/subsidize such an effort?
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>John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
>Environmental Compliance Specialist
>Occupational Safety
>UC Davis Health System
>916-734-7329
>916-734-7309 (fax)
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>No, we want take backs at the manufacturing level, not at the pharmacy.
>Sara Johnson NH Pollution Prevention Program
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
>[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of John Danby
>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:43 PM
>To: Galvin, Dave
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>pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us; David Stitzhal
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>Good point on the HHW issues, Dave.  But our pharmacy folks blanch at
>the thought of a take-back problem, from a variety of perspectives.
>We'll just keep batting these issues around the listserv until the light
>bulb comes on!
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>John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
>Environmental Compliance Specialist
>Occupational Safety
>UC Davis Health System
>916-734-7329
>916-734-7309 (fax)
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>hazard with another.  We are not interested in dealing with a soup of
>unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution.  Hmmm, what
>then to do with this container...
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>I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old meds to the
>local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local
>government.  Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product
>stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their
>place of origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid
>mailers, or via some other system that does not put the burden for yet
>another problematic wastestream onto local government and onto local
>ratepayers to pay for.
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>It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive solution.
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>-- Dave Galvin
>    Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA)
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu]
>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM
>To: David Stitzhal
>Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us;
>pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
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>Do you really want to put containers of hazardous chemicals (that would
>"neutralize" pharms) in the hands of the consumer?  Are you not trading
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>What would the consumer do with the used container of chemicals/drugs?
>Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal issue.  Very
>unlikely that you would be left with a non-hazardous result.
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>A better way to handle this would be to encourage the collection of
>excess consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste entity.
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>John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
>Environmental Compliance Specialist
>Occupational Safety
>UC Davis Health System
>916-734-7329
>916-734-7309 (fax)
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>Hi Lucy.
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>I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty chemicals" to
>dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach that was discussed
>among a pharmaceutical task force here in the Northwest for dealing with
>commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you more details if
>you want when I return. I am leaving town after today for two weeks and
>am swamped with last minute details.
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>Cheers.
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>Stitzhal
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>David Stitzhal, MRP
>President
>Full Circle Environmental, Inc.
>3111 37th Place South
>Seattle, WA 98144
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-- 
David Stitzhal, MRP
President
Full Circle Environmental, Inc.
3111 37th Place South
Seattle, WA 98144
U.S.A.
206-723-0528 phone
206-723-2452 fax
stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com