[Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits
Scott Cassel
scott@productstewardship.us
Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:46:21 -0600
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Eileen:
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Yes, PSI will be starting a project on pharmaceuticals product =
stewardship by April 1. These e-mail discussions are very informative. =
We will contact those who are interested and, through input from key =
stakeholders, determine what needs to happen next. I realize that there =
are many pilot projects taking place, and significant progress being =
made on this issue.=20
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Scott
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From: Eileen Sousley [mailto:EBSousley@cabarruscounty.us]
Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 5:16 PM
To: Galvin, Dave; John Danby; David Stitzhal
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; =
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us; Scott Cassel
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits
I agree that we need product stewardship on waste pharmaceuticals. In =
my community - when asked - we suggest that citizens bring their waste =
or left over pharms back to the Pharmacy or even to the doctors office =
as they already have to manage what is used in their offices, (same with =
their sharps, but we do also provide tips on the safe ways to prepare =
sharps for landfilling). The most common problem we hear back is that =
doctors are advising patients to FLUSH any left over meds down the =
TOILET. One would think that doctors of all professionals would know =
better than to do that, but apparently not in my community.
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Scott, is this something PSI has on their list?
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Eileen Sousley
Cabarrus County, NC
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From: pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us =
[mailto:pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Galvin, =
Dave
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:08 PM
To: 'John Danby'; David Stitzhal
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; =
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits
I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit would replace one =
hazard with another. We are not interested in dealing with a soup of =
unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution. Hmmm, what =
then to do with this container...
I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old meds to the =
local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local =
government. Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product =
stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their =
place of origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid =
mailers, or via some other system that does not put the burden for yet =
another problematic wastestream onto local government and onto local =
ratepayers to pay for.
It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive solution.=20
-- Dave Galvin=20
Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA) =
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From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu]=20
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM=20
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Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits=20
Some things to consider:=20
Do you really want to put containers of hazardous chemicals (that would=20
"neutralize" pharms) in the hands of the consumer? Are you not trading =
one=20
set of hazards for another?=20
What would the consumer do with the used container of chemicals/drugs?=20
Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal issue. Very =
unlikely=20
that you would be left with a non-hazardous result.=20
A better way to handle this would be to encourage the collection of =
excess=20
consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste entity.=20
John G. Danby, CIH, CSP=20
Environmental Compliance Specialist=20
Occupational Safety=20
UC Davis Health System=20
916-734-7329=20
916-734-7309 (fax)=20
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David Stitzhal =
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Hi Lucy.=20
I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty chemicals" to=20
dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach that was=20
discussed among a pharmaceutical task force here in the Northwest for=20
dealing with commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you=20
more details if you want when I return. I am leaving town after today=20
for two weeks and am swamped with last minute details.=20
Cheers.=20
Stitzhal=20
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David Stitzhal, MRP=20
President=20
Full Circle Environmental, Inc.=20
3111 37th Place South=20
Seattle, WA 98144=20
U.S.A.=20
206-723-0528 phone=20
206-723-2452 fax=20
stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com=20
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stewardship on waste pharmaceuticals. In my community - when =
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tips on =0A=
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problem =0A=
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Dave<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 18, 2005 1:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
'John =0A=
Danby'; David Stitzhal<BR><B>Cc:</B> pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; =0A=
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit =
would replace =0A=
one hazard with another. We are not interested in dealing with a =
soup of =0A=
unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base solution. Hmmm, =
what then =0A=
to do with this container...</FONT></P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring =
old meds =0A=
to the local household hazardous waste collection service, run by local =0A=
government. Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product =0A=
stewardship model involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their =
place of =0A=
origin, either via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid mailers, or via =
some =0A=
other system that does not put the burden for yet another problematic =0A=
wastestream onto local government and onto local ratepayers to pay =0A=
for.</FONT></P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive =0A=
solution.</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>-- Dave Galvin</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2> =
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Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA)</FONT> =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From: John =0A=
Danby [<A =0A=
href=3D"mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu">mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucda=
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pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; =
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT> =0A=
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal =
kits</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>Some things to consider:</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>Do you really want to put containers of hazardous =
chemicals =0A=
(that would</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>"neutralize" pharms) in the hands =
of the =0A=
consumer? Are you not trading one</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>set of =
hazards =0A=
for another?</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>What would the consumer do with the used container of =0A=
chemicals/drugs?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Seems like there is still a =
hazardous =0A=
waste disposal issue. Very unlikely</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>that =
you would =0A=
be left with a non-hazardous result.</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>A better way to handle this would be to encourage the =
collection =0A=
of excess</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>consumer meds by the local household =
hazardous =0A=
waste entity.</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>John G. Danby, CIH, CSP</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Environmental =0A=
Compliance Specialist</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Occupational =
Safety</FONT> =0A=
<BR><FONT size=3D2>UC Davis Health System</FONT> <BR><FONT =0A=
size=3D2>916-734-7329</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>916-734-7309 =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty =0A=
chemicals" to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>dissolve unwanted meds. However, =
that is =0A=
an approach that was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>discussed among a =
pharmaceutical =0A=
task force here in the Northwest for</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>dealing =
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commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you</FONT> <BR><FONT =0A=
size=3D2>more details if you want when I return. I am leaving town after =0A=
today</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>for two weeks and am swamped with last =
minute =0A=
details.</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>Cheers.</FONT> </P>=0A=
<P><FONT size=3D2>Stitzhal</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>--</FONT> <BR><FONT =0A=
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