[Pharmwaste] Re: Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 47,
Issue 6 - Hand Sanitizer
TBadrick at aol.com
TBadrick at aol.com
Thu Oct 1 10:49:32 EDT 2009
I think it would be a great eco-footprint project....I smell a college
class project
well we are on the topic, lets not forget a couple of the reasons behind
the new push on hand sanitizers
1. The federal government making a huge deal about pandemics as a
national security issue...I'm not saying good or bad here but in the hospitals I
worked in it became a "program" and in the hands of a skilled director trying
to climb the ladder becomes a "cause" and although causes are fun they
typically fade quickly in terms of efficacy and then you have 5 trillion soap
and gel and foam containers everywhere and common sense typically gets
pushed out of the way when its a cause. We had one project where the issue of
"litter" in the hallways (very little btw) was addressed by installing
dozens of wall mounted boxes of gloves and paper towel dispensers with the
assumption being that people did not pick up littler in the hall for fear of
contamination, you know gum wrappers being a major risk and all. End result
was dispensers were always out of paper towels and people stole boxes of
gloves with great regularity...much easier to grab that box than order from
supply or buy at the store.
One of the assumptions I saw pushed aside was the expectation that health
care workers absolutely should be expected to wash hands between
patients....now the idea that a trained healthcare worker who is trying to help
patients deliberately chooses to disregard one of the most basic precautions both
to themselves and their patients.....this is an educational issue but also
a professional disciplinary issue...if they give the wrong meds repeatedly
its treated that way...its a basic core competency, period. No debate.
2. The focus is always on nurses and docs but lets not forget that
support staff such as housekeepers touch many things and often are far more
capable of transmitting....we had a guy who picked up the med waste from within
the facility...older, nice, rigid, etc....it was a big win to get him to
take his gloves off when he went to the cafeteria...you inherently have to
recognize he probably didn't do that in the prescribed method either. This is
not a rare situation. Sick people come to hospitals, the bottom line is
you cannot maintain sterility in a public facility designed to treat sick
people for the most part and we should stop obsessing about that aspect and
be rational about what we can accomplish. Hand washing should be an easy
win....and many facilities show a compliance rate of around 50%. More soap
types and putting it everywhere does not fix that type of problem.
3. Last, but not least...the changes in regulations that says Medicare
and Medicaid will not pay for hospital acquired infections...make no mistake
about it this is huge bucks at stake. This makes it a "management crisis"
and rational science based discussion stops right there when its becomes a
thing to fix, not a cultural change. Every month there is a new "crisis"
and the old one is forgotten quickly.
Tom Badrick
Badrick Consulting
who is shocked that such a blatantly unsafe experiment as lighting gel on
fire could occur ;-)
In a message dated 9/30/2009 7:04:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
merylklein at earthlink.net writes:
Has anyone thought of doing a life cycle analysis on resources used (soap
and water [remember that water is fast becoming a commodity]) vs. sanitizer
and comparing the effectiveness of both. I know there was a study back in
the early 2000s comparing handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers and
they found that the sanitizers with moisturizers were better for hospital
employees who had to wash often as the soap and water and plain sanitizer dried
the hands too much and let in infection. Triclosan should definitely be
banned. Period.
Perhaps there are times when small children, unless strictly monitored,
are not up to the task of properly washing their hands. I watch my own four
year old wash mostly properly and then cringe when she touches the sink and
just about every other surface there is in the public restroom despite my
explanations of why we should not do this after she washes her hands.
I think there is a place for both proper handwashing and sanitizer.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:19:33 -0400
From: "Suhr, Marcus W." <_MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org_
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:37 -0500
From: "Lyle Milby" <_Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov_
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
P.O. Box 370
Norman, OK 73070
(405) 292-9731
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:39:07 -0400
From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <_Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov_
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what?
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
P.O. Box 370
Norman, OK 73070
(405) 292-9731
_lyle.milby at normanok.gov_ (mailto:lyle.milby at normanok.gov)
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:01:30 EDT
From: _TBadrick at aol.com_ (mailto:TBadrick at aol.com)
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital. In an age where fire
marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire risk....its
okay
to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas cylinders) of
flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a wall?.. gee I feel
safe now. Whatever happened to soap and water and proper technique? is
that
too complicated? This is what happens when rampant uneducated fear
trumps
science and logic.
I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf
Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I could
think
about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital projects to
solve
a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA is
already
everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do just
fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)
Tom Badrick
Badrick Consulting
In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov_ (mailto:Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov) writes:
Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
P.O. Box 370
Norman, OK 73070
(405) 292-9731
_lyle.milby at normanok.gov_ (mailto:lyle.milby at normanok.gov)
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To: _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Matthew C. Mireles" <_mirelesmc at earthlink.net_
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
To: "Gressitt,Stevan" <_Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov_
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<_Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov_ (mailto:Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov) >, "Suhr,Marcus
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Dr. Jerry Miller, an epidemiologist, at our Foundation would be a good
person to consult with. He did a fellowship at CDC in Atlanta and is now our
VP for Research.
For schools and some clinical facilitites, we recommend simple, proper
handwashing with soap and warm water as well as prudent hygiene and sanitation
practices. Some school districts are presenting learning lessons with
practices in the lavatory for the correct handwashing. I heard one school
has kids reciting the alphabet A-Z (approx 15 sec--about same time
recommended by CDC for kids) to time how long they should lather hands with soap
before rinsing. Paper napkins or motion-sensed driers are used to dry hands.
Some even instruct kids to avoid touching door handles and open the door
with a paper napkin and throw the napkin the waste basket right outside the
restroom.
Kids are reminded to cover their nose and mouths with tissue when they
sneeze or cough. If tissue paper is not available, they are instructed to
cough or sneeze into their folded upper arms so they won't spread germs. It's
hoot to walk into a classroom as see kids practicing how to cough into
their arms. Many lessons that I'm mentioned are strategies being used mainly
on the west coast as an introduction to personal hygiene as well as proper
etiquette.
Hand sanitizing, disinfecting gels, liquids, ointments, etc. are useful in
some occasions but probably not too wise as an effort to prevent infection
and cross contamination. to require parents to provide the product to
their kids without sufficient rationale for the parents or the kids might be
interpreted as an extraneous attempt to combat the H1N1 epidemic. There's
already a misplaced fear of H1N1 being spread by pork products. Please save
the bacon!
Reliance on only these liquids or gel sanitzers may produce some
unintended consequences. CDC reports 2 million cases of nosocomial infections in
our hospitals resulting in 90,000 deaths of our patients each year.
Hospitals are frantically investing money into putting dispensers with hand
sanitizers on the floors, in patients' rooms, waiting rooms, etc. Some hospitals
hire secret monitors to observe handwashing and record noncompliance; some
even pay staff members to wash their hands correctly out of sheer
desperation. in addition to carrying the stethoscope and cheat sheets in their
pockets, many nurses and docs are given courtesy of the medical supply
companies personal bottles of hand sanitzers. Hence, many are skippping the
standard sink and soap routine.
The results have not been too impressive: infection rate has not gotten
better. As a matter of fact, healthcare professionals' behavior and attitude
with proper handwashing have worsen.
We were contracted by a major company in Austin TX to provide a health
education and promotion poster for handwashing--we recommended soap and water
and hygiene. We thought about inviting those kids to do a demo for the
company's execs and remind them that sometimes simple is best, like the ABCs.
Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH
President and CEO
Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety
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From: "Gressitt, Stevan" <_Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov_
(mailto:Stevan.Gressitt at maine.gov) >
Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:39 PM
To: Lyle Milby <_Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov_ (mailto:Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov)
>, "Suhr, Marcus W." <_MSuhr at ChristianaCare.org_ (mailto:M
Suhr at ChristianaCare.org) >, _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
(mailto:pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us)
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
Let's see, 62% Ethyl Alcohol= 124 proof? Jack Daniels is what?
Stevan Gressitt, M.D., Medical Director
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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:28 PM
To: Suhr, Marcus W.; _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
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Norman, OK 73070
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From: _pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
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Marcus W.
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To: _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:54 -0500
From: "Volkman, Jennifer" <_Jennifer.Volkman at state.mn.us_
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
To: <_TBadrick at aol.com_ (mailto:TBadrick at aol.com) >,
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My kids haven't been asked to carry concealed yet. They used to get an
extra credit point for bringing a box of tissues to class, but the
school disallowed that practice this year because they felt it might be
unfair to those who could not afford to supply the school with tissues.
So, the kids are packing their own or using the back of the hand, wall,
desk or whatever is handy. Management at our state agency (and probably
all of them in MN) issued each desk a 4 oz bottle (apparently this
equals about 8 martinis) and a container of wipes. I've heard they will
be installing dispensers outside all of our conference rooms, just like
hospitals. A nurse friend of mine said they had to switch to another
type of sanitizer at her hospital because too many employees (they like
to blame the janitors) were adding a shot to their morning coffee. It
fits right in with all the other craziness...must be something in the
water...
From: _pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
(mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us)
[_mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
(mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us) ] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01 PM
To: _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
(mailto:pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us)
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital. In an age where fire
marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire
risk....its okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as
compressed gas cylinders) of flammable materials every twenty feet or so
along a wall?.. gee I feel safe now. Whatever happened to soap and
water and proper technique? is that too complicated? This is what
happens when rampant uneducated fear trumps science and logic.
I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf
Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I
could think about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital
projects to solve a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess
what MRSA is already everywhere and that just employing proper hand
washing would do just fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)
Tom Badrick
Badrick Consulting
In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov_ (mailto:Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov) writes:
Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at
the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to
H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go
ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
P.O. Box 370
Norman, OK 73070
(405) 292-9731
_lyle.milby at normanok.gov_ (mailto:lyle.milby at normanok.gov)
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[_mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
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Suhr,
Marcus W.
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
To: _pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us_
(mailto:pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us)
Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol
sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or
they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was
required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear
example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls.
Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
302-733-3771 (fax)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:30 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
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