[Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
TBadrick at aol.com
TBadrick at aol.com
Tue Sep 29 19:05:20 EDT 2009
Cool we need more chloroform ;-) Many years ago I managed a recycling
program for the charming solvent and learned all about how unpleasant
chlorinated (and fluorinated) solvents were. Right after that I worked for an
electronics company (safety officer) where staff would tell me how the freon
based vapor degreasers were great for acne treatment on their faces. Don't
forget chloroforms highly proven ability to damage livers including
enhancing the deleterious effects on alcohol on the liver.
I've heard widespread dermatitis to more hand sanitizing products than
alcohol based and surprise, those companies also sell lotions.
we could probably pay for a national drug take back program by investing in
those products as a group ;-)
Tom Badrick
who wants bonus points for using deleterious correctly
In a message dated 9/29/2009 3:52:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mirelesmc at earthlink.net writes:
There are also some product complaints about dermatitis from overuse.
Alcohol is one of the best reagent and solvent (break down fats, easily
absorbed transdermally, and good disinfectant) that dissolves non-polar
substances.
Now is the time to invest in companies that make Purell, Germ-X, GermOut,
Lysol, and Baccide. I believe these products fall under cosmetics not
medical. Therefore, regulation is almost none.
More of these products are adding triclosan and benzalkonium chloride to
fight germs. There a growing concern that benzalkonium Cl is actually
promoting resistance in MRSA. Triclosan is showing up more and more in our
environmen as one of the most prevalent organic contaminants in waste water.
When added to chlorine (e.g. from tap water), guess what? Chloroform is
made. What a great organic chem lesson!
Chloroform is a highly suspected human carcinogen!
Attempts with alcohol-free products have not been too successful. Just a
few months ago, Clarcon hand sanitzer was pulled from market because
studies found the produce to cause opportunistic skin infections.
Back to soap and water.
Matthew C. Mireles, PhD, MPH
President and CEO
Community Medical Foundation for Patient Safety
-----Original Message-----
From: "Volkman, Jennifer"
Sent: Sep 29, 2009 6:22 PM
To: TBadrick at aol.com, pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: RE: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
My kids haven’t been asked to carry concealed yet. They used to get an
extra credit point for bringing a box of tissues to class, but the school
disallowed that practice this year because they felt it might be unfair to
those who could not afford to supply the school with tissues. So, the kids
are packing their own or using the back of the hand, wall, desk or whatever
is handy. Management at our state agency (and probably all of them in MN)
issued each desk a 4 oz bottle (apparently this equals about 8 martinis) and
a container of wipes. I've heard they will be installing dispensers
outside all of our conference rooms, just like hospitals. A nurse friend of
mine said they had to switch to another type of sanitizer at her hospital
because too many employees (they like to blame the janitors) were adding a shot
to their morning coffee. It fits right in with all the other craziness…
must be something in the water…
From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of TBadrick at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:01 PM
To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I refer to them as little bombs in the hospital. In an age where fire
marshals freak out over recycling containers size due to fire risk....its
okay to put aerosol containers (otherwise known as compressed gas cylinders)
of flammable materials every twenty feet or so along a wall?.. gee I feel
safe now. Whatever happened to soap and water and proper technique? is
that too complicated? This is what happens when rampant uneducated fear
trumps science and logic.
I clearly remember the day, sitting in the Reno airport bar and Wolf
Blitzer comes on TV with a special report about deadly MRSA...all I could think
about was how this would put a halt to all other hospital projects to solve
a problem that really wasn't a problem, because guess what MRSA is already
everywhere and that just employing proper hand washing would do just
fine....sigghhhh, I must be getting older ;-)
Tom Badrick
Badrick Consulting
In a message dated 9/29/2009 12:28:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Lyle.Milby at NormanOK.gov writes:
Our school system is putting these out in all of the schools at the
recommendation of the County Health Department in response to H1N1. Our
Fire Department expressed reservations but they decided to go ahead with
it. I assume it is an alcohol based product because of the fire
department concern.
Lyle Milby
City of Norman
Environmental Services
P.O. Box 370
Norman, OK 73070
(405) 292-9731
lyle.milby at normanok.gov
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From: pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us
[mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Suhr,
Marcus W.
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
To: pharmwaste at lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: [Pharmwaste] RE: hand sanitizer
I read an article where a child was poisoned by alcohol sanitizer
recently. Its only a matter of time before a child dies, or they start
getting the swift idea of lighting it. My own step-son was required by
the school to bring a bottle to begin the year. This is a clear example
of bringing an item to market, and not enough controls. Everyone thinks
sanitizer is so great.
Anyone else being requested to bring it to school?
Marcus Suhr, ASP
Industrial Hygienist
Christiana Care Health Services
Occupational Safety Department, Office L840J
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road
Newark, DE 19718
302-733-3787 (office)
302-573-7662 (pager)
302-733-3771 (fax)
MSuhr at christianacare.org
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