shrug-l: XP OS Question - GIS related

Rocky S. Agbunag ragbunag@co.st-johns.fl.us
Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:34:08 -0400


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I believe if it's an Enterprise copy of XP, you don't need to enter in a
keycode.  

I've never tried this, but here's an instruction to uninstall SP
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us
/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prbd_s
td_zmvp.asp
<http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u
s/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prbd_
std_zmvp.asp> 

You can try accessing SAFE MODE by pressing F8 at start up, then try the
following:

Try using the "Last Known Good Configuration"
-This will hopefully correct instability or startup problems by reversing
the most recent system and driver changes.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;101790
<http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;101790> 

If that doesn't work, try SAFE MODE to the uninstall stuff and maybe SP2
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-
us/boot_failsafe.mspx
<http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en
-us/boot_failsafe.mspx> 

I hope this help.
-Rocky


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> Subject:	shrug-l: XP OS Question - GIS related
> 
> This is an OS question in reference to Win XP as opposed to a traditional
> GIS query,  but I suspect 90% of SHRUGgers run on Microsoft. 
> 
> If, theoretically, one worked for a University [any University]  - let me
> pause here;
> To make it more complicated it's a word problem with no multiple guess
> answers:  essay only.  Neatness counts. It has at least three parts: So,
> starting again, 
> 
> You work for a University and  have upgraded your GIS workstation to
> Windows XP - from an enterprise  license you believed current and legal.
> Subsequently you learn from Microsoft that they consider it a pirate copy
> and refuse to allow you to load patches and updates from their web site.
> Somehow a non-licensed copy fell into your possession. You have access to
> the Enterprise copy and it's license number and documentation  - and you
> know it's well within the legal number of users.  
> 
> You ask  Microsoft for help - and get a typical answer . I told them I
> work for the IT Department and I know I have a current license, but I'm
> not sure I entered the correct code.  They wrote back - I'm not making
> this up -" I comprehend from your e-mail that you have a volume License
> Key copy of Windows XP and it tells that it is not an authenticated
> copy... Therefore, I suggest you to contact your IT organization ."
> Contacting others in the office lead to the single response, "I've never
> run into that." 
> Here are the questions: 
> 1) Is it possible to determine, using MS tools only, what keycode was
> entered when XP was  loaded? If so, how?  Apparently XP [probably 200 as
> well] generate a PID number that has no relation I can see to the CD
> Keycode.  If I know that I loaded the wrong license number at least I know
> it's my problem - not MS accounting system.  That gives whining rights, I
> guess. 
> 2) Is it possible to change the Keycode and update whatever secret
> registry codes in which MS hides its keycode - without having to reload
> the OS [see question 3]?
> 3) XP will not load again on this system because it sees the service packs
> and patches and says, "You have a newer version of the OS. Bye," or
> something equivalent.
> When I search Control Panel/Add Remove software there is no uninstall for
> SP1 and SP 2.  Instead the add/remove  box shows scores of tiny,
> cryptically named patches.  When the system boots it sees SP 2 and the XP
> install sees it.  Is there any solution except un-installing each and
> every MS patch/update listed?  After completing that arduous task, what
> chance is there that the system will boot? 
> 4) Is there any way around this problem that will not require formatting
> the boot drive and starting from scratch -reloading ESRI ArcInfo and
> friends, AutoCAD 2005, Corel, Ashtech GPS software, the MS Office Suite
> and a plethora of other time-consuming tasks?  
> 5) Is it strange to anyone except me that Microsoft has a license manager
> for SAS, AutoDesk, ESRI and others - but it's own license is managed by
> completely different system - one that is occult to me [occult meaning
> hidden, not that it plays Goth Rock and has black fingernails]?
> 
> 
> William Porter
> GIS Application Coordinator
> Email:  william.porter@famu.edu <mailto:william.porter@famu.edu> 
> Florida A&M University
> Information Technology Systems
> Lee hall Suite 303
> Tallahassee FL 32307
> (850) 412 5401  ITS Office
> (850) 412 7474 [no voice mail]
>  
>                             
> 

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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I believe if it's an =
Enterprise copy of XP, you don't need to enter in a keycode.&nbsp; =
</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I've never tried =
this, but here's an instruction to uninstall SP</FONT>
<BR><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/=
reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=3D/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/r=
eskit/en-us/prbd_std_zmvp.asp"><U></U><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
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FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/=
XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=3D/resources/documentation/Windows/X=
P/all/reskit/en-us/prbd_std_zmvp.asp</FONT></U></A></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">You can try =
accessing SAFE MODE by pressing F8 at start up, then try the =
following:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Try using the =
&quot;Last Known Good Configuration&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-This will =
hopefully correct instability or startup problems by reversing the most =
recent system and driver changes.</FONT>
<BR><A =
HREF=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;101790=
"><U></U><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us=
;101790</FONT></U></A>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If that doesn't =
work, try SAFE MODE to the uninstall stuff and maybe SP2</FONT>
<BR><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/=
proddocs/en-us/boot_failsafe.mspx"><U></U><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/=
xp/all/proddocs/en-us/boot_failsafe.mspx</FONT></U></A>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I hope this =
help.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-Rocky</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

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related</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">This is an OS =
question in reference to Win XP as opposed to a traditional GIS =
query,&nbsp; but I suspect 90% of SHRUGgers run on Microsoft. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If, theoretically, =
one worked for a University [any University]&nbsp; - let me pause =
here;</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To make it more =
complicated it's a word problem with no multiple guess answers:&nbsp; =
essay only.&nbsp; Neatness counts. It has at least three parts: So, =
starting again, </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">You work for a =
University and&nbsp; have upgraded your GIS workstation to Windows XP - =
from an enterprise&nbsp; license you believed current and =
legal.&nbsp;&nbsp; Subsequently you learn from Microsoft that they =
consider it a pirate copy and refuse to allow you to load patches and =
updates from their web site. Somehow a non-licensed copy fell into your =
possession. You have access to the Enterprise copy and it's license =
number and documentation&nbsp; - and you know it's well within the =
legal number of users.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">You ask&nbsp; =
Microsoft for help - and get a typical answer . I told them I work for =
the IT Department and I know I have a current license, but I'm not sure =
I entered the correct code.&nbsp; They wrote back - I'm not making this =
up -&quot;</FONT> <FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">I comprehend from your =
e-mail that you have a volume License Key copy of Windows XP and it =
tells that it is not an authenticated copy... Therefore, I suggest you =
to contact your IT organization .&quot;</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Contacting others in the office lead to the =
single response, &quot;I've never run into that.&quot; </FONT></P>

<P><B><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Here are the =
questions:</FONT></B>=20
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">1) Is it possible =
to determine, using MS tools only, what keycode was entered when XP =
was&nbsp; loaded? If so, how?&nbsp; Apparently XP [probably 200 as =
well] generate a PID number that has no relation I can see to the CD =
Keycode.&nbsp; If I know that I loaded the wrong license number at =
least I know it's my problem - not MS accounting system.&nbsp; That =
gives whining rights, I guess. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">2) Is it possible to =
change the Keycode and update whatever secret registry codes in which =
MS hides its keycode - without having to reload the OS [see question =
3]?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">3) XP will not load =
again on this system because it sees the service packs and patches and =
says, &quot;You have a newer version of the OS. Bye,&quot; or something =
equivalent.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">When I =
search</FONT><B> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Control Panel/Add Remove software</FONT></B> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">there is no uninstall for SP1 =
and SP 2.&nbsp; Instead the</FONT><B> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">add/remove&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">box shows scores of tiny, cryptically named =
patches.&nbsp; When the system boots it sees SP 2 and the</FONT><B> =
<FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">XP install</FONT></B> =
<FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">sees it.&nbsp; Is there =
any solution except un-installing each and every MS patch/update =
listed?&nbsp; After completing that arduous task, what chance is there =
that the system will boot? </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4) Is there any way =
around this problem that will not require formatting the boot drive and =
starting from scratch -reloading ESRI ArcInfo and friends, AutoCAD =
2005, Corel, Ashtech GPS software, the MS Office Suite and a plethora =
of other time-consuming tasks?&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">5) Is it strange to =
anyone except me that Microsoft has a license manager for SAS, =
AutoDesk, ESRI and others - but it's own license is managed by =
completely different system - one that is occult to me [occult meaning =
hidden, not that it plays Goth Rock and has black =
fingernails]?</FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial Unicode MS">William Porter</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#400000" SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">GIS Application =
Coordinator</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Email:=A0 </FONT><A =
HREF=3D"mailto:william.porter@famu.edu"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">william.porter@famu.edu</FONT></U></A><BR>
<B></B><B><FONT COLOR=3D"#008080" SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Florida =
A&amp;M University<BR>
Information Technology Systems<BR>
Lee hall Suite 303<BR>
Tallahassee FL 32307<BR>
</FONT></B><FONT COLOR=3D"#400000" SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">(850) 412 =
5401&nbsp; ITS Office<BR>
(850) 412 7474 [no voice mail]</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">=A0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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