[Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits

Galvin, Dave Dave.Galvin@METROKC.GOV
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I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit would replace one hazard
with another.  We are not interested in dealing with a soup of unknown meds
dissolved in a strong acid or base solution.  Hmmm, what then to do with
this container...

I disagree that the answer lies in having people bring old meds to the local
household hazardous waste collection service, run by local government.
Those of us in that biz would much prefer a product stewardship model
involving return of waste pharmaceuticals to their place of origin, either
via local retail pharmacies, via pre-paid mailers, or via some other system
that does not put the burden for yet another problematic wastestream onto
local government and onto local ratepayers to pay for.

It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive solution.

-- Dave Galvin
   Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County (Seattle, WA)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Danby [mailto:john.danby@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM
To: David Stitzhal
Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal kits

Some things to consider:

Do you really want to put containers of hazardous chemicals (that would
"neutralize" pharms) in the hands of the consumer?  Are you not trading one
set of hazards for another?

What would the consumer do with the used container of chemicals/drugs?
Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal issue.  Very unlikely
that you would be left with a non-hazardous result.

A better way to handle this would be to encourage the collection of excess
consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste entity.

John G. Danby, CIH, CSP
Environmental Compliance Specialist
Occupational Safety
UC Davis Health System
916-734-7329
916-734-7309 (fax)


                                                                           
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Hi Lucy.

I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses "nasty chemicals" to
dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach that was
discussed among a pharmaceutical task force here in the Northwest for
dealing with commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. I can get you
more details if you want when I return. I am leaving town after today
for two weeks and am swamped with last minute details.

Cheers.

Stitzhal
--
David Stitzhal, MRP
President
Full Circle Environmental, Inc.
3111 37th Place South
Seattle, WA 98144
U.S.A.
206-723-0528 phone
206-723-2452 fax
stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I agree that some kind of home med destruction kit =
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dealing with a soup of unknown meds dissolved in a strong acid or base =
solution.&nbsp; Hmmm, what then to do with this container...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I disagree that the answer lies in having people =
bring old meds to the local household hazardous waste collection =
service, run by local government.&nbsp; Those of us in that biz would =
much prefer a product stewardship model involving return of waste =
pharmaceuticals to their place of origin, either via local retail =
pharmacies, via pre-paid mailers, or via some other system that does =
not put the burden for yet another problematic wastestream onto local =
government and onto local ratepayers to pay for.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It is time to come up with a better, comprehensive =
solution.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- Dave Galvin</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Local Hazardous Waste Management =
Program in King County (Seattle, WA)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 AM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: pharmwaste@lists.dep.state.fl.us; =
pharmwaste-admin@lists.dep.state.fl.us</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Response: Disposal =
kits</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Some things to consider:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do you really want to put containers of hazardous =
chemicals (that would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;neutralize&quot; pharms) in the hands of the =
consumer?&nbsp; Are you not trading one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>set of hazards for another?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What would the consumer do with the used container of =
chemicals/drugs?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Seems like there is still a hazardous waste disposal =
issue.&nbsp; Very unlikely</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that you would be left with a non-hazardous =
result.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>A better way to handle this would be to encourage the =
collection of excess</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>consumer meds by the local household hazardous waste =
entity.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John G. Danby, CIH, CSP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Environmental Compliance Specialist</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Occupational Safety</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>UC Davis Health System</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>916-734-7329</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>916-734-7309 (fax)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Lucy.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I haven't heard of a consumer product that uses =
&quot;nasty chemicals&quot; to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dissolve unwanted meds. However, that is an approach =
that was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>discussed among a pharmaceutical task force here in =
the Northwest for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dealing with commercial volumes of unwanted pharm's. =
I can get you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>more details if you want when I return. I am leaving =
town after today</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for two weeks and am swamped with last minute =
details.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Stitzhal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David Stitzhal, MRP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>President</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Full Circle Environmental, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3111 37th Place South</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Seattle, WA 98144</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U.S.A.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>206-723-0528 phone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>206-723-2452 fax</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>stitzhal@fullcircleenvironmental.com</FONT>
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