[Pharmwaste] DisposeRx

Volkman, Jennifer (MPCA) jennifer.volkman at state.mn.us
Thu Jan 18 17:09:04 EST 2018


Thanks Margaret!
The pouches rely on people to use them correctly and not to put in 60 pills instead of 50. I sent out a link to your report yesterday, which identifies shortcomings and additional questions on the magic goo pouches. MN and many other states have an excellent network of collection bins, which result in incineration of medications. This is our preferred disposal method for destruction. It is really disappointing that they chose to go this route, when their pharmacists could have simply referred people to the existing collection network in states that prefer incineration. It is likely a move to avoid putting collection bins in some of their pharmacies. I suppose I need to figure out who to talk to here in MN so that people don't get all confused and think they must buy a pouch if they weren't given one. It will also be interesting to know the capacity of the pouches they intend to give out. Keeping things simple for households is the key! Now they will wonder if they should go two places with their various drugs--well, I'll put this in the garbage and take the rest to the collection bin. Or, I'll cram as many pills in here as I can find and take care of it all that way. Ack. This is confusion we don't need.

From: Pharmwaste [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of margaret.shield at cehstrategies.com
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Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] DisposeRx

Good day all, I spoke with a government affairs representative of Wal-Mart today in WA's state capitol. One of the things he mentioned as a clarification may be of interest. He said that DisposeRx is not yet available for use because it has not yet passed a fish toxicity test. Perhaps he meant use in WA, or perhaps in other areas as well.

Per my evaluation of the various medicine disposal products being marketed, they have not yet been fully vetted and tested for effectiveness in rendering pharmaceuticals non-retrievable or for safety of disposal in solid waste systems. Independent testing by accredited labs is also needed.

I noted that the recent Trump Administration opioid panel report found that such medicine disposal products may be useful in areas that lack access to secure drug take-back programs.

Margaret Shield, PhD
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From: Pharmwaste [mailto:pharmwaste-bounces at lists.dep.state.fl.us] On Behalf Of Ed Gottlieb
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Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] DisposeRx


Hi Greg,



Their website claims:

DisposeRx drug destroying gel uses proprietary, patent-pending technology made of solidifying cross-linking chemical polymers that permanently sequester all medications.



The website has a link to an in-house paper:

http://disposerx.com/dl/DisposeRx_White_Paper_October_2017sm.pdf



They said they will send me the 3rd party studies they cite sometime today.



The gel forming process is said to take 10 minutes, much faster than the time needed for activated carbon (Deterra pouches, etc.) to work.



A quick bit of research shows that polymer gels are very resistant to dissolution, which happens very slowly.

http://wwwcourses.sens.buffalo.edu/ce435/Koenig03.pdf

http://pslc.ws/macrog/property/solpol/ps3.htm

I don't know if after dissolution any drugs could be recovered.



The info they posted about government recommendations is outdated.


Ed Gottlieb
Chair, Coalition for Safe Medication Disposal
Board Member, New York Product Stewardship Council
Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator
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Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Pharmwaste Digest, Vol 144, Issue 6
Does anyone have more information about the DisposeRx product? I'm wondering if it actually alters the opioids to a non-retrievable state or if it simply encapsulates the pills, or the dissolved pills, in the gel in a still-active state.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Walmart offering free home disposal pouches (Ed Gottlieb)
   2. Re: Now that's an interesting waste to dispose    of      liquids...
      (Catherine Zimmer)
   3. [Pharmwaste]
      Walmart-launches-groundbreaking-disposal-solution-to-aid-in-fight-against-opioid-abuse-and-misuse
      (Edward Krisiunas)


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Subject: [Pharmwaste] Walmart offering free home disposal pouches

Walmart will now offer a free DisposeRx home disposal pouch when dispensing opioid prescriptions.



http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/17/retailer-to-throw-in-opioid-disposer-20/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/elliekincaid/2018/01/17/walmart-to-give-away-kits-to-dispose-of-opioids-at-home/#4088fbae139f



Ed Gottlieb

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:28:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [Pharmwaste] Now that's an interesting waste to dispose of liquids...
Hi Ed and all,

I'm glad this biomedical firm got caught and people were paying attention.

It reminds me of an enforcement case I worked on where a plating shop
allowed acid plating waste to drain down the driveway into the storm sewer.
The acid etched away the concrete--not to mention the acidification of the
water in the River.  These guys also poured plating waste into the sanitary
sewer--the floor in the bathroom was eaten away and all cobbled.  We did
send them to jail.

Very truly yours,

Catherine Zimmer, MS, BSMT
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Improving processes, minimizing and managing waste and, reducing costs.
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Subject: [Pharmwaste] Now that's an interesting waste to dispose of
liquids...

Good day all:

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2128418/chinese-drug-firm-use
d-water-tanker-spray-liquid-waste-streets

Regards,

Ed

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Good day:

Saw this on a posting called "STAT"..

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