shrug-l: SHRUG 2010 Workshop Panel Discussion

kim paxton kim.paxton at
Wed Nov 3 09:51:12 EDT 2010

Speaking of AutoCAD in general. In the early 90's AutoCAD had a third party toolbar - Landmark. These tools allowed line-work to have attribute data attached similar to that of a block (plus many other tools). Later, AutoCAD purchased this technology which became AutoCAD MAP which uses object data association. Digging further into my memory banks...there was another product that worked with AutoCAD - Geo/SQL which used ANSI standard SQL databases and AutoCAD graphics.

We used AutoCAD, the MAP toolbar, the ease of maintaining data and as Tripp mentioned you could program easily with LISP to tap into this technology. ArcCAD which was used along with ArcView 3.x we found too cumbersome and not so easy to use. We primarily used ArcView 3.x to make a pretty map back in the days...

Wow...some of us are aging ourselves! Enjoy,

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From: shrug-l-bounces at [mailto:shrug-l-bounces at] On Behalf Of Tripp Corbin
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:29 AM
To: Jordan, Jack; shrug-l at
Subject: RE: shrug-l: SHRUG 2010 Workshop Panel Discussion

Let's not forget the use of various CAD packages as simple GIS platforms. As an engineering outfit, I know that was where we started. We even wrote our own application which ran on top of AutoCAD which allowed users to map an entire city or county in AutoCAD on old 386 and 486 machines pretty efficiently. It even had some simple query tools and batch booklet plotting routines. Then in the 90s there was an attempt by Autodesk and ESRI to work together with the ArcCAD product. It was one of the first GIS software apps I ever used. It had all the easy drawing tools of AutoCAD with most of the analysis and graphics tools of ArcView.

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From: shrug-l-bounces at [mailto:shrug-l-bounces at] On Behalf Of Jordan, Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:22 AM
To: shrug-l at
Subject: RE: shrug-l: SHRUG 2010 Workshop Panel Discussion

In the late 70s and early 80s there was EDC's ELAS for image processing on mainframe and desktop, by the 90s numerous image-proc/raster-GIS packages for desktop (the big distinction at that time was between softwares that could perform geocorrection of raw imagery to image-maps...and those that could not).  Development environments could avail themselves of Arc's toolkit for vectors, and RSI's IDL for custom image-proc.  Data transfer and storage improved dramatically, from early desktops of less than 1 Gb harddrive crunching data accessed via 9track tapedrives, wormdrives, Kermit, and Laplink; and satellite imagery searched via card-catalog and delivered on tape reels by everything from postman to elephant-back, to the modern situation of downloadable vector datasets and online search-n-order of on-the-fly preprocessed satellite imagery (mid 90s EOSDIS).  The peripherals related to raster/vector GIS improved enormously, from light-tables and digitizing tablets to large-format scanners, from fridge-sized screenshot 35-mm slidemakers to PPT, from alphabetic-plotters (still useful for colorblind folks or faxes) to pen-plotters and finally to color laser printers.

Jack Jordan

(yeah, yeah, books had already replaced scrolls, and tapes had replaced Bakelite cylinders :) )

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A few of the tools we used back then, though not quite as far back as the old-timers Eric and Jim...

-    GRASS

-    Idrisi

-    Atlas Pro

-    Atlas GIS

-    vellum and transparencies

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:22 AM
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Subject: RE: shrug-l: SHRUG 2010 Workshop Panel Discussion

I think the first thing I used ware a Product from Yale, Forestry.  LAND.  It was a Boolean math program to evaluate land use vs slops......  That was in 1984.  I ended up using it on a CDAMA by IBM.  A very new mini computer workstation.   I forget what LAND stands for .  I'd have to dig up an old resume...  So much started as a 1's and 0's on a dot matrix printer back then.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:04 AM
To: C. Henry Depew; shrug-l at
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There was a lot of GIS going on.  There was ESRI (only Arcinfo), Intergraph, GRASS.  A lot of government grant money for universities.  LandSat had been around for 10 years and people were doing classifications and trying to analyze the results.  The WMD's were already using Arcinfo.  I used Arcinfo 20 years ago and it was version 4.3 so it had been around for awhile.  I did my thesis (1985-87) with custom software based on IMGRID software written at Harvard in the mid 70's when Jack Dangermond was a grad student there.  We had computer science students customize routines for our analyses.

Google search something like "+imgrid gis harvard".  It's interesting history.


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Re: shrug-l: SHRUG 2010 Workshop Panel Discussion

     If the time does not conflict with one of my presentation
assignments, I would be interested.  My only question is the bit
about the History of GIS since I only started in 1994 although I did
work with mainframe computer programs to map things back in 1969 or
1970.  Given the capacity of the mainframes back then, what GIS was
being run 20 some years ago? .

C. Henry Depew

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